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Posted by Roy Nemer (Roy Nemer) Sunday, August 31, 2014 Go To Comments

Lionel MESSI's future with Argentina

Strong rumors have emerged concerning Lionel MESSI's Argentina future the past few days. One of the stronger ones is that MESSI will no longer participate in friendly matches but only in competitive matches and tournaments.

Following Barcelona's match against Villarreal, word got out that MESSI has a muscle problem and will miss Argentina's match against Germany.

Concerning MESSI no longer playing friendly matches, my view on it is that it won't happen. The AFA already has clauses in their contracts where should MESSI play they will make more money. They also stand to lose a lot of money on it and I would find it difficult for the AFA to sell out or make revenue with MESSI not taking part in friendly matches.

The AFA is sponsored by Adidas as is MESSI himself and they would no doubt have a say in it. This is not for certain but it is the rumor in Argentina.




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Bruce Wayne
(India)
Posted on 9/4/2014 at 3:28 PM
0
@elpipita - you sir, you are awesome!!
it was our forwards who let us down - spot on


arg2014
(Canada)
Posted on 9/3/2014 at 11:39 AM
0
Mamoun: I know I stopped coming to this site for a while. I've been travelling around, but mainly I lost interest after Sabella resigned. I don't like that we start with a new coach after every tournament. Sabella knows the team now better than anyone else, going forward would be an easy task if he's in charge. For me, Tata is a loser coming from a disastrous failure to take over WC runner up team. I thought Sabella was #1 coach tactically in the WC. He made our defense the strongest. It was more painful to see him resign than losing the finale.

Other reason, and to be honest: Brazil was last chance for Messi to win the WC.....don't even think he will have a shot in Russia (European soil) when he's 31 years old spending 4 more years of hard work with club tournaments.....won't happen.


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 9/3/2014 at 9:44 AM
0
elpipita: Defending Gago does not mean you're lacking in football wisdom..Its just that you wanted to see him (Gago) succeed with the NT, nothing wrong with that my friend..


Shinobushinobu
(Singapore)
Posted on 9/3/2014 at 3:20 AM
0
As for the players celebration after each match, I feel like it's because they were not certain they can win. I feel it myself. Due to many bad things happened since 1994, I was very glad we passed to quarter finals, semis and then went to final. My celebration was also excessive. In final, the players were burn out. Too many energies spent in QF and SF.

The Dutch, the Germans, they have stronger mentality and are used to win games. They wouldn't feel as happy as our players. That's the impression i get.


Skywalker
(United States)
Posted on 9/3/2014 at 3:11 AM
2
glad this was all a rumor

@ Deb - thx, and agreed with your comments. sad more Argentines don't get that.

@ Maxi - Hey Amigo! I traded the rigs for the refinery. less stressful in a way. hope you've been keeping well.

about your Messi comments, from all accounts after the match (ole, clarin, etc), the players told Sabella they had a window at the start of the 2nd half to go after Germany. otherwise they were out of gas and weren't sure of lasting past 90 mins. so Sabella went for it. whether ppl want to criticize Sabella for the Aguero/Lavezzi sub or not, the first 10 mins of the second half was blood and thunder stuff from Argentina. We had Germany on the ropes and the game was there to be won on Messi's left foot inside the box.

I have had a lot of issues with Sabella, but if the players were that low on the tank, then that sub did make sense. It's the Gago move that I felt really hurt us more than Aguero/Lavezzi.

and you what really hurts. I was hoping we all would complete the cycle that we started from the WC blog in 2006 and finish it off in fairytale fashion in Brazil; and then I could peacefully retire from football watching. but alas, such is life.


mamoun "elpipita"
(Iraq)
Posted on 9/3/2014 at 12:36 AM
2
Jason habibi, been good thanks for asking, how about you? Haven't seen you around here much.

@kid thanks for the kind words, to be honest I'm the one who defended Gago to death despite his obvious drop in form and I'm also the one who dissed Rojo every chance I got (while you did the opposite) so I'm not really sure that I possess any footballing wisdom.
Thats the problem of losing in any of the knockout stages of the WC, the loss doesn't just sting you it scars you as well and makes it hard for us to move on and that's what we should be doing, MOVING ON!
But like I said before, for those of us who are not Argentines we can never truly understand how someone like Pablo really feels so I get the fact that those of you who are from Argentina are still very bitter.


arg2014
(Canada)
Posted on 9/2/2014 at 11:33 PM
0
Mamoun: how have you been?
I agree that Sabella did all he could to get the team to a final that was wasted by our forwards. Goalkeeping, Midfield and defense all did their duties perfectly. Palacio, Higuain, Aguero and to a certain degree Messi all failed to score a single goal that would make us Champions for the next 4 years sadly.


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 9/2/2014 at 11:18 PM
0
Elpipita: Great write up...You have a lot of football wisdom man..I agree with you on every point you made, but I'll say this, it seems like Lavezzi picked up an injury after the nasty tackle against him on the edge of the German 18 yard box during the first half..


mamoun "elpipita"
(Iraq)
Posted on 9/2/2014 at 10:39 PM
4
@Maximus with all due respect man, but there was nothing shameful about celebrating a win, which in-turn meant making it to the final after 24 years.
As for consoling the dutch, well that same dutch team and their "genius" coach were talking trash about Argentina throughout the pre-match conferences and now you seriously telling me that Argentina should've consoled them?!
And I didn't see anybody on this board complaining when the boys were celebrating their victories during the WC but now that you all are bitter about the final suddenly it's become a crime to let off some steam and celebrate a well earned win.
As for the "Argentina shirt used to mean something" comment, well I really hate to burst your bubble but the shirt hasn't meant something since 1994 when the team failed to make it past the QF. In this WC have regained alot of lost pride despite of losing and I happen to be one of those people who believes that you can lose and still hold your head up high.

@pablo D, I think it's clear by now that we'll never agree on Sabella, you viewed him as average and I thought he was fantastic and so we'll agree to disagree on that.
However what I can't agree on is the point you made about Sabella not having a plan B.
Sabella's plan B was the 4-4-2 system that got Argentina to the final despite of injuries and the fab 4 underperforming.
It was the same plan B that Sabella used during the WCQ when kun missed over half of the qualifying games and if you go back and watch some of those games you'll realise that Lavezzi subbed for kun many many times (5 by my count).
As for Gago, well Sabella had a backup plan for him too and his name was Biglia.
Like Kun, Gago missed over half the WCQ with injuries and Biglia was the one who subbed for him and I think we can all agree he did a fantastic job.
And lets not forget about Enzo who was picked over Sosa (supposedly Sabella's "boy") and Ever Banega who was Messi's pick (and people say that Messi was running things, pfff what ever!). And it is clear now that Enzo's fitness and versatility is what got him picked and he was instrumental in getting the albicelestes to the final.

Still I concede that Sabella did made some mistakes such as the inexplicable substitution of Lavezzi in the final and taking Augusto over someone like Gaitan who is pretty much a like for like sub for Dimaria (much less talented though) but ultimately it was Argentina's forwards that let the team down not Sabella.


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 9/2/2014 at 8:19 PM
0
in thinking about the k/o stages i was surprised and disappointed at the lack of humility by our players, we seemed to want to just party in contrast to the krauts who just did their job and then went crazy when the job was done, ie actually winning it all.
i remember thinking at the time the different mindsets of celebrating each win as if we had won the final vs a little celebration knowing the job is not done until the final is actually won as only then can you really celebrate.


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 9/2/2014 at 6:27 PM
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Maximus: i agree


Maximus
(Mauritius)
Posted on 9/2/2014 at 5:47 PM
1
agree pablo. the bus selfies, the shameful song after semi win, totally forgetting to console the dutch - all came back to bite the prima donnas in the ass. I feel disgusted when they celebrate their club goals.

specially aguero's. lavezzi was taken off for him.
higuain, diego milito never got a look-in becoz of him.

the national team heartbreaks ( 2 copa finals, 1 confed final, thumping defeats to brazil & continuous failure against germany) has turned me into rock.

when they beat germany in a friendly & smile and celebrate like fools, i get angrier.

what do you expect, to escape poverty, they flee argentina, owned by third-parties, become mercenaries, guns for hire. money talks man.

I remember the days when the albiceleste shirt meant sumthin.



pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 9/2/2014 at 3:46 PM
1
I could be wrong but I get the impression sabella some how lost the dressing room during the w/c and seeing things like the water spraying incident, the bus slapping incident and the players speaking to the media like they did indicated their was a problem their.


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 9/2/2014 at 3:30 PM
0
baker good sir:
I have written in the lamela thread so I wont double up the same but
we knew kun was injured in jan
gago was injured and was very luck to even be ready for the w/c
hig was injured 5 weeks before the w/c and pal and lev are not n/t goal scorers and will never be.
we had 2 games left over from qualifying to try other options/back up options and some friendly's but the sabella did not do this.
it was a horror run of injuries but we did have time to try to cover for some and time to try other options and this came to bite us in the ass during the w/c.
I don't blame sab for taking kun or hig as who would not but to then have you main strikers as pal and lev was crazy, to not replace gago-foolish and no cover for di maria as the game we have played is counter attacking.
any way their is nothing we can do about it now but I do get frustrated at people saying how fantastic sabella was as he was average and his stubbornness so many admired was what cost us in the end, no worse then peckerman but no better.


crazyARG
(Bangladesh)
Posted on 9/2/2014 at 3:21 PM
0
i mean to say wc 2018


crazyARG
(Bangladesh)
Posted on 9/2/2014 at 3:14 PM
0
i think it's absolutely ok if messi dont wanna play some meaningless friendlies.... he has to be fit and well tempered for the upcoming tournaments including wc 2014.
so why u guyz louding if he do it.... for betterment of ARGENTINA


Juli2014
(Argentina)
Posted on 9/2/2014 at 12:51 PM
0
I'm in Argentina and from Argentina.. anyone else?


baker
(India)
Posted on 9/2/2014 at 5:15 AM
2
@Pablo.d : Sir , now ball is in your court , we had failed in the WC final so it is very much easy to find the negative sides of the match and blame sabella.

But who would have guessed

1: Our forwards form will dip in to low during wc..?
2: gago who made stunning contribution in qualifiers will be pathetic in wc..?
3: di maria will be get injured in wc..?

there are are so many "ifs" , but sabella made best from the available fit squad , it cant be done better that this.

But yes no one is perfect so is sabella , he shouldnt have brought kun in place of lavezzi but only sabella and team willl be knowing what forced him to make that call.

sabella is a decent coach that argentina had in recent years .


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 9/2/2014 at 3:50 AM
0
baker: I see you say " 2010 wc but unfortunately luck and bad coaching resulted a failure for us" what is the difference for 2014? as if I look at the final alone sabellas crazy subs were really bad coaching and that also coast us but you defend his as a fantastic coach.


Bruce Wayne
(India)
Posted on 9/2/2014 at 3:04 AM
1
@baker : it's more painful when the very people who must be there to support an argentine in such a situation is throwing rants at him based on mere rumours!


baker
(India)
Posted on 9/2/2014 at 1:36 AM
1
It is not a hate against messi, i am not questioning his commitment , he given his 100% in 2010 and 2014 wc , i will say he performed 10 times better than current world cup in 2010 wc but unfortunately luck and bad coaching resulted a failure for us.

i want to ask you guys one thing , if a player come out and telling " i am not participating in friendlies , but i will be there for competitive matches"

Honestly what will be your reaction...? for me it is unacceptable , if it is done my diego or batti or masch or messi or any other player it is same for me.

It is just a rumor , but it is very much painful to see those rumors.


guled
(United States)
Posted on 9/2/2014 at 1:01 AM
0
@chainsaw, true


Chainsaw
(Iran)
Posted on 9/2/2014 at 12:47 AM
0
Sad that most of the guys who are hating on Messi or make up conspiracy theories about him to support their agenda are Argentinian.


guled
(United States)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 9:44 PM
2
Kidulthood : barcelona is behaving like every employer behaves nothing surprising there, What bothers me is the doubts against messi after all these years, a little rumor and people start ranting against him, like skywalker said maradona and tevez did worse and nobody ever doubted them but with messi a little rumor and he is traitor, that means he wasn't full Argentinian the first time according to some


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 9:35 PM
0
guled: ok, most of my anger was towards Barcelona not Messi after reading the article above..


guled
(United States)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 9:11 PM
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Kidulthood : I am talking in general I have seen today alot of hate towards messi because of rumor


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 7:52 PM
0
Glued: who is hating on Messi here? Can't let a man become your idol no matter who it is...I'm like Messi biggest fan, I defend him everywhere, in public and on the web.


guled
(United States)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 6:53 PM
2
Pablo.d: even our biggest rival brazilians respect messi, most of their players and people like messi because of his beautiful style of play, I have friends who support brazil at the same time their number one player is messi and yet here we have some mundo bloggers hating on the biggest idol argentina has today


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 5:53 PM
0
glued: exactly applause!!!


guled
(United States)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 5:12 PM
4
Messi father came out and denied these rumors, a lot people lost their minds on rumor, also it seems like there are many messi haters here at mundo, a player like messi deserves respect for what he is a joy to watch and like some one said here the best ambassador argentina has ever had


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 3:33 PM
1
kh: the difference between us is what we say as you anointed us as champions before the w/c, you told, yelled and screamed to every one in here we would win it and ridiculed all those who did not agree with you with comments like "you know nothing about football" etc ete and you are still at it with if di maria had played we would have won it or if the strikers had scored we would have won, who says if we scored 3 they would have not scored 4-we will never know give it up you were wrong 100% wrong we did not win it and to try to consul your ego with if this or that we would have been champions blah blah, we are not and cant be now.

as for me ive have never said we will win it, I hoped we would as I always do but never have I said we would and I have not said if this or that we would have, ive heavily critized sabella for his selections and believe through bad luck with the injuries pre w/c, bad choices, no attacking plan b, bad subs and in hindsight with the choices of certain players things could have been different in the final (then again maybe with other players we would have never made the final) but never have I said if icardi or gatlin were in the team we would have won it, their are no if or buts for me, we lost, we looked very average all w/c and sabella has gone and it now a new chapter.
I do dream still that hig scored and messi and we win 2-0 but its just a dream, ill never accept the final loss and im pleased sabella has moved on and I hope some of the payers like kun get a shock from martino as he needs it.


Chainsaw
(Iran)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 1:24 PM
0
Smells like BS


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 12:55 PM
0
Still waiting on the joke buddy..


San Isidro
(United States)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 12:42 PM
1
Yeah Kid,
Mundo is alive and well because of you...thanks for kick starting this website.

Thats sarcasm if you couldn't figure it out.


Sudhirfadi
(Japan)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 12:14 PM
0
Crap news.....


Amlan
(Bangladesh)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 11:58 AM
0
I am 100% in support of not playing Messi in those useless friendlies. This way we can build a team which will not rely on Messi and Messi will get a lot of rest to take part in crucial international matches like WCQ and Copa America.

In 2010, we had no midfield and our defence was weak. In 2014, our defence was good, but our midfield was defensive mostly and we could not utilize our attacking wealth.

Now, we have to reduce our dependency to Messi and introduce more young players to make a solid team in every department. I want a defence of 2014, a midfield of 2006, an attack of 2010. That's the team I want. No matter who plays in what position.


bunchowhero
(Hong Kong)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 11:58 AM
0
Can't wait to see how Martino plans to play Argentina, hopefully more attacking football


guled
(United States)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 11:39 AM
0
guys you are forgetting the keyword here (rumor)we all know many things are said against messi all the time by his haters so we need to calm down and make sure the truth about it before losing minds on this issue,i agree with @skywalker maradona and tevez are not saints, I remember teves faking injury and refusing to play friendly match, also like some of the bloggers said messi fought with barca to play 2008 olympics


fotobirajesh
(India)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 11:27 AM
1
@Kid, I always read your comments here with interest. But some comments below made me think twice. Sorry, no disrespect. It is easy to lose our mind, when we are disappointed and sad.

You mean, Di Maria worked the hardest against the Swiss to lose 51 balls? That will not be borne by even an Asian team. (he took all those weird shots because CR7 told him to shoot more!!! brilliant)
Di Maria was the only player in the NT, who knew how to use the space left vacant by Messi markers. But he was not available for our most important last matches as he had completely exhausted himselves playing for Real.
If you use the same yardsticks that many here use for Messi, then it is possible to say, diMaria didnt care for NT, and hence wasted his everything for RM. I am just saying, I am old enough to not accuse a player like that.

It is quite clear, this was a just rumour by the empteen number of anti-Messi media/fans, but we Albiceleste fans fall for it is a pity. You just need to read what Masche said about Messi, if at all one clearly doest understand tactics in Football.

In Barca, Messi gets more than 60 balls in 90 minutes, of which a vast majority he receives within 20 yards of the box, and there is movement around him and players who are willing to do one twos with him. And they have a very attack minded coach.

for NT, if Messi waits for ball around 20 yard of the box, he will hardly receive less than 5 balls in 90minutes and need to come to our own half for the ball and have to do what Mourinho said.

We should never compare Messi in Barca and NT. Both these teams are poles apart.


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 10:58 AM
0
baker: I did it because you used the ''F bomb'' on your earlier post..

Pablo.d: You were the one, not me, been using the ifs, ifs since the world cup ended, all you been saying is if Sabella did this, if Sabella took these players, if Sabella did not take out Lavezzi and so on.. :)

Di Maria did not have a bad world cup, he was like Argentina best player in the Nigeria game...Di Maria worked the hardest in the Switzerland game and he was Argentina best player against Belgium until the injury..

Look, I'm a HUGE Messi fan, and I will defend him against any anti Argentina folks out there..But its a wise thing for us to have this discussion about the none sense surfacing about Messi ''missing friendlies for Argentina.'' YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MAD I AM READING THIS RUMOR like we haven seen Messi killed himself for Barcelona over and over again..

Wow!!! I've kick start an interesting discussion..Now Mundo is alive and well :)


stocky
(Grenada)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 10:51 AM
0
Is tevez no longer argentine?? call thye blasted guy up so he can resume his national duties with messie and other strikers out...


ddr1123
(United States)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 10:47 AM
1
@vish that's because Mascherano not wanting to play is not as big as a news as Messi's. It is just a rumor and Messi will play friendlies. I have never heard anywhere he mentioned he does not want to play. Its created by media and Argentine's fuel them.

@fotobirajesh you are spot on. Maradona's first comment after world cup was "Messi played better for me in 2010". He is just interested to show he wants the job again. He then went and said if Brazil gave Dunga another chance, why not me. Basically he is kicked out as a coach all over the globe including clubs in Asia. Only place he is hero worshipped is in Argentina and wants the NT job.

And Maxi Lopez is too biased to give any sensible comment. He will be known for single handedly closing worldcupblog :), so just ignore him. Hope he does not damage this blog.


fotobirajesh
(India)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 9:54 AM
1
@Maxi, yet another example proving what a good saying it is that Argentines do not deserve Messi.

Maradona screwed the chances of the Argentine team, by wanting to be the coach of NT in 2010. He had all those young players - in those days Messi was not marked continously by more than 2 players like in 14 - and did everything to ensure that we lost the WC, with best players in good form. He went to Barcelona, when he was declared coach, chatted with Messi ask understood his favourite positions and tactics, and then did exactly opposite (this is clearly mentioned in Ballague's book). I strongly beleive Deigo wants to be the only WCGod of Argentina.


vish
(India)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 9:37 AM
0
Why hasn't a similar rumour come about Mascherano? After all he is also in Barcelona. I'm sure he would have opposed it.


vish
(India)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 9:35 AM
0
If this news is true, its bad. Only during friendlies there is a chance for the players to play together and develop understanding and chemistry. So, it doesn't make sense for somebody to avoid friendlies, however great that player is. Argentina will do well with or without Messi. At some stage, Messi has to retire. There is no retirement for Argentina. Definitely, we will miss him. But, we don't need an uncommitted player. After all I am a fan of Argentina and I don't care for any single player if he is not committed.


Brisco
(Finland)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 8:30 AM
4
Smart posts by some of you guys in here. Meaningless game is a game that doesn't matter. That is why there's no reason to risk Messi's health injury or no injury. In Finland everybody was mad to Messi that he didn't play a friendly against Finnish champions HJK (the game which Barca won 6-0 with their B-line up) and it was so stupid to bash Messi about it, because Barca will decide those things, not the player. Barca is the employer and the player plays the games that they employer tells him to play. It really is that simple. Messi doesn't have to prove anything. Not in my books. Come the true games (copa and WC-qualifiers) and he will play for NT with all of his heart. He will play the best that he then can, that I am sure of. So let's cut the bullshit and give Messi a rest.

In a meantime, I'm very interested to see how Lamela does in NT-shirt. Let's hope that he has a solid 90 minutes.


San Isidro
(United States)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 8:25 AM
4
I am glad we can now move on and realize that we need to build a team...Not just one guy who kills himself for a team. This is clearly Barcelona keeping him out to protect their season as what I think is a meaningless game. I am sure Aguero will end up with some kind of vaginal cramp that will keep him out also. And he will have the selfies to prove it.


baker
(India)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 8:15 AM
2
Erik Lamela & Nicolas Gaitán have been summoned urgently by Tata Martino for Argentina's friendly against Germany.

Messi will be missing becuase of injury , no news about this rumour though.


ddr1123
(United States)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 7:47 AM
6
@skywalker The best post in mundoalbiceleste for the few years I have been here and absolute rubbish post from some else. But that is what you can expect. Many have said - Argentines do not deserve Messi.

I am an Argentina supporter because of Maradona, but as you said not everything is perfect about him. A big reason why Argentina is hated by many is because of him. We have suffered enough for the hand of god.

I am surprised how people forget details. When I talk to people from my father's generation they behave as if Pele scored 4 bicycle kick goals every game. Similar for Maradona. As if he scored solo goals every minute.

I know enough of Maradona's favoritism. The players he like and have relationships with and forcefully brought them into the team. People talk about formations. Let's go and look at the 2010 game against Mexico. Every attack Tevez is at least 10 yards ahead of Messi a because he was more close to Diego and demanded things, not Messi. Tevez played and destroyed the balance and I see people blame Messi for that now. If people cannot see what was wrong in 2010 anc choose to blame Messi for all, it's a shame.

Messi has been one of the most consistent , brilliant and decisive player for Argentina. He is easily the best ambassador for the country ever with the class many lacked and lacks. You should be proud to have Messi.

Finally, he will play friendlies. I wish he chose to play some and skip others. We will see what happens.


Shinobushinobu
(Singapore)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 7:39 AM
2
@maxi: Maradona cost us at least 2010 WC and perhaps 1994. Also how do u know Messi "convinced" Maradona in 2010??? and Sabella in 2014??? Dont speak without prove. Anyway you must be happy now that you are proven to be correct that Sabella is rubish. We should have been with Pekerman and Pastore or better yet with you as a coach and we would have been a winner.

@skywalker: I'm young, but if comparison only Tevez vs. Messi it's no brainer for me who loves the NT more. For Maradona, I don't know, he wants to come back and being a coach.. For that, I doubt his love.


Maxi Lopez
(Argentina)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 5:00 AM
1
SKYWALKER,

We could discuss a long time and compare Messi and Maradona. Maradona has win the WC and Messi will never win it. Never. Why? Because Messi doesn't want to be alone upfront. He wants Higuain and Aguero on his side. Maradona sacrified himself for the team whereas Messi "convinced" his coaches in 2010 (after Nigeria) and 2014 (WC final at half-time) to use 7-0-3 which killed us. Messi killed his chances and all the country's too. It's very paradoxal and impossible to understand. If Argentina had played 4-4-2 in 2010 and 2014, every game, Messi would have won as much as Diego. People will say that we had bad luck but we didn't deserve luck. The real truth is that all we needed was authority in the locker-room. We needed a decent federation and coaching staff.

Anyway, I didn't want to write all this. All I wanted to say is "Hi SKY, I hope you are fine and enjoy life far from the rigs! Cheers man"


mamoun "elpipita"
(Iraq)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 4:45 AM
4
I personally think that these rumours are simply that! Messi has been giving his all for the NT since day one and nothing has changed.
One that does have to change is Messi's insistence on playing in EVERY match for both Barca and Argentina; something has got to give in that regard and it has got to start with Messi himself taking the necessary steps to ensure his longevity.
This coming friendly against Germany means nothing especially since no new players are being called up and we will likely learn nothing from the game itself. Hence I could careless if Messi and others miss this game.
With that being said, friendly games are very important for most national teams because unlike Spain or Germany or even Italy, Argentina doesn't have the luxury of having many of it's players in one club so every friendly match adds just that little bit to the overall chemistry of the team. Sure the AFA set these matches up to stuff their pockets but we can't ignore their importance to the NT.


fotobirajesh
(India)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 4:08 AM
0
well said skywalker.


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 4:00 AM
0
dinucci: where to start, the internet, blogs, people who dislike messi, people who hate Argentina, people who have to sell newspaper's for a living, gossip columns and properly that bitter man cr7 etc etc


Dinucci
(Argentina)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 3:45 AM
0
Ok... Where do these stupid rumors come from???


Richard
(Netherlands)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 3:06 AM
0
So basically this would mean that Martino has no chance to see Messi in action with his national team mates until the Copa America as the next 10 months it's friendlies only...

Well that's gonna be a boost for team chemistry :-(


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 2:58 AM
0
Skywalker: I remember it well and very well written and true.


Skywalker
(United States)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 2:47 AM
10
A lot of you maybe too young to remember, but don't paint Maradona as some saint who gave his all for his country and Messi as a prima dona who cares more for Barca.

Maradona from 82 to 85, stopped playing for the NT. He came up with so many excuses to not make the trip across the pond and even missed qualifying matches. Hell, he played in testimonials and money grab games and prioritized them ahead of playing for Argentina. It was not till we were in a slightly precarious situation in qualifying that Bilardo forced him back, Maradona asked for certain players to be removed (Diaz, sideline Ruggerri) and the rest was history. Thing is, we have revisionist history of how Maradona played, as if his entire career with Argentina was like 86. It was nothing of the sort. I could go on and on and provide more irresponsible behaviour.

I could say the same about Tevez. Yes he may have a low frustration tolerance, but how many times you hear Tevez say its a burden to wear the camista, how there is no prestige playing for the NT, how its too difficult, etc.

And yet, Maradona and Tevez are greeted as people who will defend Argentina to their death while Messi gets the shaft. You will never see an above article like this on those two, despite them being more likely to do so.

Messi has never missed a match for Argentina, never put Argentina in a bad spot and never complained. He may not have the grinta we Argys love so much or he may not wear his heart on his sleeve, but Messi shows up for Argentina all the time.

Now you can say Messi does not play for as well for Argentina as compared to Barca and you have a point. But enough of this Messi doesn't care for Argentina, he doesn't try hard, he is more Catalan, he does not want to play friendlies, etc. This really needs to stop.


LaTiNo
(Argentina)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 2:46 AM
0
These international friendlies so close after the wc are utterly ridiculous and unwanted. I'm not even going to waste my time watching it.


Torrente
(Serbia and Montenegro)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 2:41 AM
1
NT is not a flying circus. It is not necessary that each month the players fly around the world to AFA took the money. It is good to rest players and they will be ready for the tournament competition.


baker
(India)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 2:32 AM
0
its better be rumor. People like us waking up in the morning and checking any of our players scored in the weekend , but instead seeing these kind of news are really disturbing.
No players are above NT.

sorry to messi fans for my previous comment .

@kid: what does this meaning "o___O" ..?


SSEN
(India)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 2:32 AM
6
I think some of us are overly critical here.
'messi don't want to play in friendlies' I am sure this is nothing but rumor. Messi won't play against Germany because of hip injury in yesterday's match. I saw the match yesterday and he was barely able to walk in the last 8/10 minutes. But it's sad that Messi won't play as we all love to see him playing for us but Argentina is way above Messi. Also we should think about future and we have many options.
Remember he was the same guy fought against Barcelona Management to go to Olympic and he won there for us. He was the same guy who preferred to walk on the field last season for Barcelona despite of all criticism, that time we were supporting him, right ? Remember just 1 goal was required for Barcelona to win La Liga still he didn't took any chances and he kept walking rather than trying.
As Barcelona is paying him huge amount of Money and they could have some obligation about their start player especially when they failed to win anything last season. Anyways I won't mind if Messi chooses his matches to prolong his career but that should be applicable for Barcelona as well.
But when season just has started...these friendly matches are nothing but meaningless to me that too against Germany when we failed to beat them in WC final but beat them in all previous 3 friendly matches so what is the use of that friendly match that too with the same set of players ? Even Germany dropped so many players.
Friendly matches are for experiments. So should look for different options, different players. Love it or hate it I feel we take friendly matches too seriously. Even Bastian is not playing this match and Lahm has retired for International football to prolonged his club career. Most importantly Life should go on with or without Messi as team is WAY greater than individual. Hope Tata will call any new face with the likes of Pastore or Lamela or even Icardi.
People are giving example of Maradona, that he would never missed this match...that's true but Maradona never played 60 matches /year. He played 34 matches maximum whereas Messi was forced to play 60 matches / year. At the age of 27 Messi already played 93 matches whereas Maradona played 91 matches for us in his entire career. Please note I am comparing Maradona's commitment with Messi's just trying to say that Messi should choose his games even for Barcelona as well.
Again people are giving example of Di maria here, why ? All we saw an exhausted Di maria in the World Cup after giving his life for Real Madrid and beloved Ronaldo, right? Comparing with Mascherano, yes 100% he is 2nd to none.
Anyways I am not here trying to defend messi here, if Messi decided not to play any friendly matches for Argentina [which is definitely not true] then I would prefer him to retire for Argentina but he decides to play sparingly then I won't mind.


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 2:14 AM
1
kh:is this the same espn pundits who said Germany was the best team at the w/c?
please stop your if this or that had happened as it did not and we will never know the what or ifs as its all over.
as for di maria, a fantastic player no doubt but he had a bad w/c, sure part burn out and part injury but he was not the di maria we know and im uncertain why you think we would have won the final with him as he was not the same player during this w/c.

as you know we got to the final because of our defence and not because of di maria playing and the way the final went I dont think it would have mattered as it was just one of those days where we were not destined to score in the month of Sundays.

messi always plays the way he does, its not his job to get the ball its his job to create magic when he does get it but as he got little to no ball it was always going to be an uphill battle for messi as mash said recently in an espn interview.



cleanball
(Indonesia)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 2:13 AM
2
At this moment up to WC 2018, Arg team under Tata Martino will rely and build the team around Messi. In the next friendly game vs Germany, the reason behind the absence of Messi is more on Barca refusal as they will have tight scheduled within this months and wo't let him get injured or fatigue.

100% : Messi still have passion playing and will give his best for N/T, no single doubt :-))


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 1:37 AM
0
Baker: o___O


baker
(India)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 1:20 AM
1
So messi dont want to play in friendlies but he is willing to play for us in competitive matches...?

what charity done by messi , if it is true he can go f**k him self.

Argentina was there before Messi and will be stronger with out messi too.

NT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Individual


Julker9
(Bangladesh)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 1:08 AM
0
I really don't care who would or wouldn't play for the match against Germany. What i only cares is a ugly 'REVENGE'!

I want a 5-0 performence from Argentina.
That's it....


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 12:39 AM
0
The two knockout games that Di Maria was involve in, Argentina won them outright..Di Maria missed the Holland and Germany game and we all know what happen...


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 12:31 AM
0
I will be attending the Miami game regardless if Messi is with the team or not..I want to make sure I see all my world cup heroes..


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 12:27 AM
2
@pablo: Majority of the ESPN pundits said if Di Maria had play in the final Argentina would have won..

Messi does not play whole heartily for Argentina, that's not stupid talk my friend..Just look how Di Maria and Mascherano work there socks off for the team..

Messi have ran harder and tackle harder for Barcelona in his last two club games than what he did at the entire world cup. Now don't get me wrong, Messi had a great world cup, its just that his passion was not at the same level with Argentina like what we have been seeing over these last few games for his club..


niklucky02
(India)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 12:25 AM
0
@Batigol
If u r a true Argie supporter, U won't think like that. Yes, with Messi we have the best player in the world but we ain't bad without him. We have nice pool of young players coming up and I for one see this as a blessing in disguise.
Hopefully they are able to show case their talent in both friendlies as well as competitive matches.



pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 12:21 AM
0
jack: i agree on your last 2 posts.


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 12:20 AM
0
kh: stop talking stupid talk, who knows who will be the most important player next year and di maria did not do it at the last w/c barring about 30 mins and maybe he will and maybe he wont at the copa-enough of your predication's as im still missing the 3 star you said was a done deal along with germany will do nothing in the w/c.

as for the clubs they own the players and pay their employees just as any other job does, the pay them massive money and have a right to have their staff and investments play for them/be fresh, n/t footballs decline is because of fifa/uefa and the amount of games players have to play these days.
do you remember the European cup? it was champions only and was knockout h and a not theis 1st stage crap we have now and now you can finish 4th and play in it-yeah a real champions lge.
the uefa cup teams have to play 17 extra games to win it, that another half a season.

dont blame the clubs as its their players and just like any other job they want their "pound of flesh" the blame lies at the feet of fifa and uefa who are greedy money whores who really don't give a crap about the players.


Jack!
(United States)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 12:16 AM
6
Remember, you support the team not the player. You buy tickets to see Argentina, not Messi.


Batigol
(Hong Kong)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 12:13 AM
1
I have bought the ticket to watch argentina vs Hong Kong this October.

I will request for a discount if Messi is not coming.


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 12:10 AM
1
Messi will probably miss Copa by the end of 2014/2015 club season..Messi will be used up, and beat up, by Barcelona, and will become useless by the time Copa comes around..Thank goodness Di Maria moved to Man United, he will play less games this season..DI MARIA will be Argentina most important player in next year Copa, as was the case with him missing the 2014 world cup final...


Jack!
(United States)
Posted on 9/1/2014 at 12:01 AM
1
If you want Messi to prolong his career, certain games he needs to sit out. This includes with Barcelona and Argentina. We will play Hong Kong, yes, Messi needs to play in that... Same with him playing a 3rd division team in Spain. If some people want to see Messi at the next World Cup at a high level, he needs to cut his travel and games. Hell, if he takes care of himself, you may even see him in 2022.


Jack!
(United States)
Posted on 8/31/2014 at 11:57 PM
1
The AFA has no say in what Messi has to do, and neither does Adidas. They both need him a lot more than he needs them. What are they going to do if he just flat out says he is not going to deal with friendlies anymore? Adidas won't push the issue since there are NUMEROUS brands that will take his services. The athlete won't be strong-armed in situations like this.


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 8/31/2014 at 11:53 PM
2
Why don't Messi just retire from Argentina all together?He should also skip the 2015 Copa America..Barcelona been controlling Messi lives all these years and it took Sabella for Messi to finally shine with Argentina...MESSI IS NOT INJURED! I don't really care about the Germany game, but why do they have to lie in order for Messi to miss the game? Its not like Argentina will miss Messi anyways because he was a shadow of himself in the final a month ago..WHAT'S NEXT, MESSI IS INJURED SO HE WILL BE MISSING COPA AMERICA?You're an Argentina international for PETE SAKE, how can Barcelona decided what games Messi plays for is country and what games he cannot play..This is BULLOCKS, and I hate this idea if it ever was to become reality!!!

Ok, some guys like to compare Messi and Maradona on here, I don't, but here is my question..Do you think Maradona would even let this idea surface regardless if its a friendly game or a tournament? Personally, I love seeing Messi play, and he's not going to be around forever, so I would LOVE for him to play in friendlies and tournaments for Argentina..

Seriously can't stand Real Madrid and Barcelona club these days, Both clubs are in the same basket..


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 8/31/2014 at 11:37 PM
0
i would have no problem if messi was to select in what matches he wants to play in.

their will and never been any help from fifa in reducing the crazy amount of matches the top layers have to play these days and top players need to reduce the amount of meaningless friendlies they play.

we as Argentine should be using friendlies to give young and potential talent a chance to show their stuff.

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