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Posted by Roy Nemer (Roy Nemer) Thursday, July 31, 2014 Go To Comments

Julio GRONDONA passes away

Apologies for the late delay but it's been a hectic few days. As I'm sure you've all heard, the president of the AFA for the past 35 years, Julio GRONDONA, has passed away.

GRONDONA was taken to the hospital on Wednesday with cardiac problems shortly before he passed away. First round league matches have been suspended. Alejandro SABELLA's press conference which was supposed to be held last night was also postponed.

This throws a huge wrench in South America. Expect a big power struggle not only within the AFA but also with CONMEBOL as GRONDONA had a lot of power wherever he went.

No one knows what this means for the future coach of the National Team. Under GRONDONA, if you were coach, you sort of knew what to expect in terms of limitations and what you were and weren't allwoed to do. But under the new president (elections will be held in 90 days if I'm not mistaken), no one will know what to expect.

This will very much likely delay the announcement of the new Argentina manager.




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argentine
(Ghana)
Posted on 8/9/2014 at 6:52 AM
0
mmmmm sooo sad guyz,is nes 4 me as i jst heard it.


mamoun "elpipita"
(Iraq)
Posted on 8/3/2014 at 12:03 PM
3
my "boy Sabella" huh, I can clearly see that this conversation is going nowhere so good luck with your beliefs.


baker
(India)
Posted on 8/3/2014 at 11:59 AM
1
Now i really wishing that 6-0 victory over serbia shouldn't have happened. After that we are exaggerating 2006 team way too much and every time we are expecting our team to perform in that level.


ghostdeini
(Albania)
Posted on 8/3/2014 at 10:47 AM
2
yes we remember 2006 differently so believe what you want.
sadly we seem to put a man before the team be it maradona, messi, riquleme, sabella,pekerman etc...
we can talk all day about shoulda coulda woulda the truth is 1986 is the last time we won and after that the afa and our coaches failed us.
creating unnecessary problems:long hairs, fights, selecting based on nepotism and not on merit...
your boy Sabella did not select players based on merit, did select players based on nepotism, did not test players in friendlies, left players that could have helped us and some of us criticized him as much as we could and we were laughed at by some of you who guaranteed us Sabella knew what he is doing and that he will win us the title, it was blasphemy here wanting improvements, he were content and now you claim Sabella´s players didn´t show up were injured. How is this an excuse? when some of us called for this through the 3 years of his tenure to think what if players get injured or lose form, you were content with the bench and said it is everything okay. Pablo.d, me and some other always called to include the best players and testing of the players, we wanted every player to be starting material because like you saw a tournament is not like a long season, many factors should be planned, no starting line up that starts the first game finishes the last game, injuries, cards, drop of forms and many factors that lead up to this so you have to plan and included the best players if this kind of thinks happen because you need every kind of help you can get to win. some of you were happy with Palacio as higuain´s sub, Palacio was a very good 7 at boca, his pace was deadly back then, we almost never called him up, now that he is old and has lost his pace he has become a 9, a average 9 at best, I didnt have hopes that he will be our savior, some of you had, look I believe now that ansaldi made the move to Atletico we will call him regularly, too bad it is too late because he will be 31 the next world cup, we use players always in the wrong time.

As far as pekerman goes; i criticized him going in the world cup, criticized his selections, his subs, and after the world cup called for his resignation, and i dont want him back, I WANT A YOUNG MODERN COACH LIKE SIMEONE; POCHETTINO, PELLEGRINO.
I am not a slave of any person, I put the team first.

During the World cup, after seeing that there is no cohesive unit and the unbalanced team, go back in the threads and read my comments I wanted to go 4-4-2 before sabella did, did I like that formation, of course not but with the selected players and with the injuries it was the best solution eventhough I was aware there will be not attacking football and we will lack on this department but at least we played like a team, with an midfield and a team construct.


mamoun "elpipita"
(Iraq)
Posted on 8/3/2014 at 9:37 AM
3
@ghostdeini many people undermine Sabella by saying "He was lucky not to meet Germany in the QF otherwise they would've eliminated Argentina" but that's just pure conjecture.
The fact remains that Sabella took Argentina further than the likes of Basile and pekerman who many people here seem to worship.
Also the Germany that Argentina played in the final was a well rested team that played about 30 minutes of serious football against a joke team like Brazil while Argentina played an intense 120 mins against Holland AND Germany had an extra day of rest. All that stuff counts and I personally think that if Argentina and Germany met in the QF where they both would've been equally rested the result might've been different but that's meaningless now
And yes Germany was missing Reus and Khadira but Argentina was missing Dimaria.

ghostdeini you and I seem to remember the Ivory coast game very differently and just because Argentina was more clinical doesn't mean that they weren't made to look average by a debuting team like the Ivory Coast.
Yeah I do commend Argentina for getting back in the game against Mexico but the truth is at that time Argentina were THE heavy favorites and Mexico was supposed to be a cake walk and they went toe to toe with an Argentine side that was far superior on paper.
Sabella's Argentina didn't trail any team until that fateful 113th minute in the final and in my book a team that rarely trails is superior to one that manages to get back into the game.

Yeah Lavezzi's behavior was unacceptable but the respect that players show to a coach is observed on the field and to me Lavezzi worked his butt off and stuck to Sabella's plan perfectly and in my eyes that shows that he took everything Sabella told him to heart and that's all that matters.
You can say what ever you want about Sabella's Argentina but one thing that cannot be argued is the fact that they were the most disciplined Argentine sides in decades.

FYI nobody is happy with 2nd place but atleast most of look at the whole picture rather than treat the whole thing as a black and white case of win or lose.
You on the other hand seem to be worshiping a team of a bygone era [2006 team] a team that couldn't even make 5th let alone 2nd.


Chalz
(Oman)
Posted on 8/3/2014 at 8:44 AM
0
Alfio, nice to see u as ä regular here.... Hope Rune & Maxi Lopez chip in too regularly. Btw, Argentuban went missing suddenly.
.
Albo & Aurelius seem to have disappeared???


ghostdeini
(Albania)
Posted on 8/3/2014 at 7:40 AM
2
one more thing.
I ask you have you ever seen a well respected coach get disrespected Like Sabella was from Lavezzi?
you might find it funny but I dont if someone would have done the same thing to Ferguson, he would have killed him.
have you watched Lavezzi slapping one of his stuff members on the bus?
under Ferguson he would have killed him.
mad disrespectful no wonder he wanted out because he had no authority whatsoever.
Grondona saw him as a puppet and so did the players, that is why he was the 22 most paid coach in the world cup, which tells me all about our priority of winning with all the money that the team charges for friendlies around the World, they do not invest on a coach.


ghostdeini
(Albania)
Posted on 8/3/2014 at 7:15 AM
1
@mamoun "elpipita"
that we went to the final is because we were lucky not to meet Germany earlier.
may I remind you Germany this year was without their best player Marco Reus and Khedira was the whole year injured, the bender twins and Badstuber missed out because of injuries and they had a 36 year old Klose and a manager who won nothing before lead them to Glory, how are they unbeatable? they actually were wounded this years and we still lost.
I repeat Ivory Coast didnt dominate us, we lead 2-0 and then like we always to stop to play and didnt finish them and pekerman brought the wrong subs and they scored and in the end they tried to equalize, as far as Mexico goes we got scored on and we were forced to attack so Mexico made it difficult with their counterattacks but we equalized and we even scored in the 90th minute but the goal was WRONGLY disallowed, what is positive even though Mexico scored we came back and won what we seem to do now, if our opponents score then GAME OVER for us, we do not come back.
sorry that you guys are crazy in love with Sabella, he is just an ordinary coach and with a better coach we would probably won, so continue being happy with 2nd place I am surely not.

@pablo.d
we need a young modern coach who has the plan to beat Germany.


mamoun "elpipita"
(Iraq)
Posted on 8/3/2014 at 12:58 AM
6
@ghostdeini you might not see any difference in losing at the QF or the Final but I certainly do; Argentina is one of the greatest footballing nations on earth and they couldn't make it past the QF for 24 Freaking years, honestly it was embarrassing! But thanks to Sabella Argetina has won it's pride back if not the world cup.

Also facing a young German side in 2006, who were at the beginning of their rebuilding project, is very different from facing a German side at their peak with the added disadvantage of having an under-performing strikers like kun and pipita.
Look I'm not defending the loss, it hurts alot, and it's a game that the albicelestes could have won but making it to the final is an accomplishment even if many of you don't see it.

As for Pekerman's Argentina; while I loved that team to death I think the fans tend to greatly over exaggerate it's legend.
The Ivory Coast dominated Argentina for long stretches of the match so much so that 2 of the Argentinian guys that I was watching the game with left half way through with disgust.
In the 2nd round game against Mexico I was sweating bullets because Mexico was matching Argentina attack for attack, shot for shot and the game clearly looked like it could go either way.
Again I want to reaffirm that the 2006 was excellent but I think it's team we stop worshiping at it's memory because ultimately the team didn't do much better than the 3 preceding world-cup teams.


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 6:37 PM
1
ghostdeini: well written and a lot of truths I their.


ghostdeini
(Albania)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 5:57 PM
4
there is no difference losing in the finals or QF because both lost to Germany the team that seems to beat us every time we face them, the difference is in 2006 we faced them in the QF and this year we were lucky to avoid them until the final if we had faced them in the 1/8 we would have lost too, the fact is both lost to Germany.
Pekerman´s team dominated Germany and even scored and with all the mistakes Maxi wasn´t given a clear penalty and colloccini even hit the post.
Sabella´s team didn´t manage to score, higuain chance wasn´t created by us and Germany dominated the game.
I am confused now did Sabella plan to play 4-4-2 or was he forced to?
he spent the whole month of preperations before the world cup by using 5-3-2 system which failed against Bosnia and he was forced to use 4-3-3 because the players asked him too(so not his plan), then after the injuries he was forced to revert to 4-4-2 which was not his plan, he had no other choice, so he fixed not the defence he had no other choice and go 4-4-2 and take out his players.
I criticize Pekerman as much as Sabella, though he was clearly a better coach than Sabella, his team had the construct of a team, against Ivory Coast we were leading 2-0 and had everything under control but he made the wrong subs because he thought we have the game won(all our coaches do this) and didnt finish them so the game got shaky, against Serbia Magic, against Holland mostly the reserves and a big mistake that that he played riquelme who then was tired against Mexico which scored on us and we had to chase the game and we scored 2 times but the messi goal was wrongly disallowed, then watch how beautiful we play with riquelme, messi, tevez, aimar in the extra time, against Germany we bossed them around in their turf, we had possession and scored and Germany had nothing nada niente until thee subbing mistakes, if you do not remember Germany ran over everybody until they met us, and they dominated Italy too but Lippi was smart he didnt go defensive he went offensive and put his strikers on late on the field and won.


Mafioso
(Bangladesh)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 2:51 PM
7
Some people does not acknowledge that Defensive footballing idea exists at Argentine football.It is part of Argentine football.Bilardo was a defensive minded coach.The most successful Argentinian manager-Carlos Bianchi was hell of a defensive manager.Now Sabella played terrible football when he chose to play defensive when key players were injured and under performing? As for pre world cup time,we have seen a super fast attacking machine and plenty of goals.Argentina scored 35 goals during the qualifier.

As for Sabella vs Pakerman-There is a huge difference between loosing at QF and loosing at Final.Pakerman's team dominated the possession,but hardly had created any chance.Sabella's team defended stubbornly,yet created 3 clear cut chances,it is not Sabella's fault our strikers could not score from such easy chances.Sabella has won Copa lib and Primera with Estudiantes,what has Pakerman won at senior level?

When I look back to Pakerman's team I don't really find that much advertise beauty.Against Ivory coast we were shaky,against Holland and Mexico team play was boring as hell.Before WC Pakerman was loosing friendlies regularly.So where does all the beauty come from?Oh yeah!6-0 win against a broken Serbia and montenegro.Actually I enjoyed that match very much,but overhype of that match is unbearable!!

If we talk about beautiful football-it was played by Basile's 2007 copa team,also Bielsa's team with mixture of thrill.

But I don't hate Pakerman,far from it.I have proper respect for him for his tremendous contribution for Argentine football.But when some people try describe him as miraculas person and his era as the best of Argentina,it becomes very annoying.


ghostdeini
(Albania)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 2:05 PM
1
@Chainsaw
yes true and Germany were at home, while this year it was in the the neighboring country and in Argentina´s continent, actually we are the first to let an European country win in South America.
Let us hire a young modern coach please.


Chainsaw
(Iran)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 1:53 PM
0
Pekerman didn't even lost. Drew in 120 minutes and went out in penalty shoot outs.


ghostdeini
(Albania)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 1:39 PM
2
Pekerman played beautiful football and lost while Sabella played terrible football and lost!
Pekerman has 1 plus and 1 minus while sabella has 2 minus.
at least Pekerman entertained us.
Sabella is not a winning coach, he lost!
not that I want Pekerman to be our coach, I actually want Simeone, pochetino or pellegrino a young modern coach, but some people are so biased they think Sabella is a winning coach and if Bauze is similiar like Sabella we are doomed.


baker
(India)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 11:57 AM
0
ocampos goal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-RzuXxXgDY


baker
(India)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 11:42 AM
1
lamela goal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRlmXnVlB50


El Coronel
(Brazil)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 10:23 AM
0
The coach of Club San Lorenzo seems identical with the Sabella style, but he has a strange way to move during the game, some games of Libertadores with San Lorenzo needing scoring goals he replaced the three with the greatest potential, Villalba, Correa and Piatti, even in games that the scoreboard needed to be insured was always following this script.
In the game against Grêmio this almost was fatal, yet to me is a good name by the current job and too by the that made in LDU Ecuador.


fotobirajesh
(India)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 8:50 AM
0
@Maxi - sorry to say this friend. it is quite clear why lots of players and coaches say that Argentina do not deserve Messi.


HollywoodHayat
(United States)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 7:59 AM
0
@msi2, true but accelerated under Bauza with his new playmaker role


msi2
(France)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 7:30 AM
0
"Hes the guy responsible for getting the best out of Argentina's new wonder kid Angel Correa. "

imo, he was better under Pizzi.


dollon
(Bangladesh)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 6:56 AM
0
i want to see that charman of AFA is MARADONA,...coach is tata martino,asistran coach is javer jinety and also manager is grabrial batistuta...wee need uropian expreance....that,S ALL


Argentina Kerala
(India)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 6:00 AM
0
It looks like Bauza is a good option. Somewhat like Sabella :)


GAB
(Australia)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 5:52 AM
0
Bauza.....friggin awesome!!!!!

:)


Mafioso
(Bangladesh)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 5:44 AM
0
And if you want to follow San Lorenzo's quest to first ever Copa Lib title here is a link.Their opponent is Naional Asuncion.Talking about the next rival,Bauza said:

"It’s a team that has the same ambition as we have. Playing as visitors, they are very organized, the players run a lot and they played with many defenders. We are different teams. It’s going to be a tough final, but we will do everything we can to beat them."

Good luck to Bauza and San Lorenzo!


http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/166016/bauza-%E2%80%98there%E2%80%99s-one-last-step-to-take


Mafioso
(Bangladesh)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 5:33 AM
0
Edgardo Bauza's English interview after 1-0 loss to Man Utd at Fifa Club WC final'09.I think you will find it very interesting.This guy is very similar to Sabella at post match analysis.He may be a bit more enthusiastic about his team's chance but humble like Sabella to give respect to the opponent.


http://www.soccerphile.com/soccerphile/managers/edgardo-bauza.html


Richard
(Netherlands)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 5:07 AM
0
here are the links to the newspapers:

http://www.ole.com.ar/seleccion/quita_0_1185481753.html

http://canchallena.lanacion.com.ar/1715021-edgardo-bauza-me-llamaron-de-la-seleccion-pero-trate-de-mantenerme-al-margen

And some info on the man:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgardo_Bauza


Mafioso
(Bangladesh)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 5:06 AM
0
Bauza must focus on winning the final.I don't think anybody will like to see someone as Arg manager who just has lost the Copa Lib final.Having a manager who has recently won 2 Copa Lib would be nice.


guled
(United States)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 3:41 AM
0
@Hollywood,i read that Edgardo bauza said that the afa offered him the job but now is focusing on the final of the libertadores, so it looks like he will the next coach, very good choice in my opinion


travis
(Japan)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 3:41 AM
0
if grondona still in the afa, will he choose this edgardo gauza as the manager??? i'm not sure if gauza before has some disagreement with grondona, but if he is, chances for him as a manager is slim. does afa still carry on with all the dirty works done previously by grondona himself???


Mafioso
(Bangladesh)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 3:35 AM
0
Edgardo Bauza was South American Coach of the year 2008,has won Copa Libertodores already and at final again with San Lorenzo.Although his name seems a bit unfamiliar,he looks like a good manager.


HollywoodHayat
(United States)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 3:34 AM
0
@guled, i dont think Gareca will ever be considered because he worked for the ppl who were campaigning against the guys running the AFA. However, Diaz is actually interested in the job but for some reason he was never handed the NT job.


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 3:32 AM
0
interesting and thanks for the info guys.


guled
(United States)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 3:30 AM
0
@travis, bauza like @hollywood said adds little more flair then sabella but is as disciplined as sabella


guled
(United States)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 3:25 AM
0
@hollywood, ricardo gareca is experienced coach but he has contract with palmieras, as for Ramos Diaz he too has experience but some how is not in the running, I think bauza is good enough to lead the team if it is true that the job is offered to him


travis
(Japan)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 3:20 AM
0
yes, we need a coach who will retain the sabella defensive system, but not continuing being a counter attacking team.
we need a coach who will adopt both the defensive/attacking minded system. and better yet, someone from a local league. like i said, i prefer bianchi, but bauza will be fine as well.


niklucky02
(India)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 3:16 AM
0
If people here want to believe that we played to our best potential then I think they are the ones who are delusional.

"IF you really want to see what is 100% performance about then please see Atletico Madrid's La Liga and Champions League reign. You need to have a great motivator within your camp to achieve something like that from a not so world calss team"


HollywoodHayat
(United States)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 3:12 AM
0
@guled, to me Ramon Diaz and Ricardo Gareca are two coaches with enough CV and experience to build on Sabella's structure. They have won so much with their teams and are respected by almost everyone in the nation.


HollywoodHayat
(United States)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 3:10 AM
0
Bauza is not a bad choice. He prefers a 4-1-3-2 system that turns into a 4-3-1-2 defensively. Hes a defensive minded coach with more attacking flair than Sabella. He led an Ecuadorian team to Copa Libertadores truimph for the first time in Ecuador's history and is now playin in the CL final with San Lorenzo with limited talent at his disposal.

Hes the guy responsible for getting the best out of Argentina's new wonder kid Angel Correa.


guled
(United States)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 3:09 AM
0
Pablo.d, I would keep sabella if I can if not I would put it this way
1:simoene
2:bauza
3:martino
4:pekerman
I want the defensive team sabella built to continue and the first two of my ranking will surely continue, I am not sure about martino but pekerman won,t continue and will start all over


Lucho
(Australia)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 3:07 AM
0
@guled. I totally agree Bauza is the best coach to pick.
He is a winner.Before Lowe and his reign of continuity the previous 3 world cup winning coaches had won their respective continental titles(Champions league/copa libertadores).Vicente Del Bosque,Marcello Lippi and Felipe Scolari. Sabella had won the copa libertadores thats a huge factor as to why we made the final. Sabella for the sake of continuity is the best choice, but that obviously isnt gonna happen. So Bauza is the man.


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 2:55 AM
0
guled: out of interest who would you rate for the next n/t manager?
sim, peck, mart,bauza or other or keep sabella.

as im sure you all know for me if it was possible d/s.


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 2:51 AM
1
I agree messi did all he could, he played fantastic and deserved to be player of the w/c, it was others who let the side down.


guled
(United States)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 2:51 AM
1
@pablo.d, bauza is capable coach, he led ldu Quito to copa libartadores and now San Lorenzo is in the final and about to win it, he is cautious like sabella, remember sabella only coached estudiantes before he took over, I would take bauza over martino


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 2:42 AM
0
"According to LaNacion and Ole the job of national coach has been offered to Edgardo Bauza, current coach of San Lorenzo"
whaaaaattttttttttt the fff who is he?


guled
(United States)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 2:35 AM
1
Chainsaw:well said, messi did his part and no one can blame him, others failed to do their part but no one is mentioning them, if not for messi and masch we wouldn't have reached the final, no player had more impact then him despite being marked with three or four playes every time, messi deserves respect even rival coaches like mourinho are praising him how he sacrificed for the sake of the team, messi was playing for the team


Richard
(Netherlands)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 2:34 AM
1
According to LaNacion and Ole the job of national coach has been offered to Edgardo Bauza, current coach of San Lorenzo.


travis
(Japan)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 2:34 AM
0
@guled agreed, zaba/biglia/perez should stay at least for copa. but of course, if i want to talk about wc 2018, then zaba/biglia/perez will have to face a lot of tough players, those who we don't see at qualifiers and in brazil. i'm pretty certain some of them will make the squad, and the old ones will have to move out or be on the bench. these 3 will be over 30 at russia and their position will have to be players around 25-30 at least.


guled
(United States)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 2:27 AM
0
Asjbest: any coach who comes will have to listen messi because he is the best player and the captain, also forget tevez that is old story, tevez is 30 year old who won't add any thing to the team, players like icardi are good enough to fill the striker role


Chainsaw
(Iran)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 2:23 AM
1
The ones who make up conspiracy theories are the ones called idiot, not someone in their delusions. You sounding ridiculous thinking it was Messi who made the Aguero/Lavezzi change. But yeah go on blaming Messi for everything. No wonder many believe that Argentinians don't deserve Messi. Should have called up Maxi Lopez instead to lead Argentina to glory!


guled
(United States)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 2:22 AM
0
@travis, I am not sure about 2018 but those players I mentioned will fine in copa, we need to win copa


asjbest
(Indonesia)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 2:16 AM
0
Martino will lead us to copa america title. Martino will surely not play favorite and call best player to represent Argentina. Fede, Gago, and Palacio will be cast out by him. Tevez will be given a spot and Messi is going to play for a team not other way around.
Sabella was to overpraising Messi thats why Messi became very lazy on the pitch.
Go go Martino, when he was at barca, he did not overvalue any player.


travis
(Japan)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 1:22 AM
1
@guled you're right; zaba is what i've expected from him, so i have no surprise he did well. before world cup, i have big doubt on biglia, and perez (i preferred gaitan than him), but yes, as you said, these players done so well, and deserve respect from us. but i doubt it if some of them will ever be at world cup anymore. there will be a new competition and it's going to be the most toughest.

plain and simple: messi is the best players at world cup. tell me one reason why he doesn't deserve the best player trophy in the final???
to blame messi for the lost at world cup is just plain dumb---goes out to those here at mundo who said bad things about him after the world cup.


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 1:16 AM
0
"Against Belgium and Netherlands we played with Sabella's defensive tactics and that paid off"

did they really?in a way it was also our down fall. sure we got their by hook or by crook but we failed to think every game that goes into extra time means the players will be more fatigued and add to it why did we not bust a gut to win the semi in normal time vs the neth as again it saps the players energy and also who ever was to reach the final would have a days less rest.

simply put by playing defensibly and not really trying to win games in normal time (the team was stacked with defensive minded players)their was always going to be a price to pay playing the equivalent of an extra game before the final with a days less rest and fatigue really caught up with us when the final went into extra time.


Pino
(United States)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 1:12 AM
0
Niklucky

Us as Argentina.

The coaches are all from Argentina, which is us.

I blame the coaches, who are from Argentina, who represent Argentina as a whole.

The coaches, the players, etc.. are all from Argentina.

Their for, is our fault, us as a Nation.


niklucky02
(India)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 1:00 AM
0
@Pino Can you elaborate what you exactly meant by "who coaches the Argentinian NT?, us" ?

Guys, sorry if my comments were bit rude about Messi but WC loss still pains me every time I think about football.


guled
(United States)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 12:55 AM
0
@travis you forgot three solid players who performed well, zabaleta, biglia and Perez , these players deserve respect


travis
(Japan)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 12:31 AM
0
i somewhat agree with what @Maxi say. there is some truth in it. actually you can blame the entire argentina squad who failed to bring the world cup back to buenos aires. some of the players show some somber form on the field all the time, right from the first group stage match to the final, and these players were:
kun
higuain
maria
these were the key players for argentina. they were supposed to show some real tendencies, rise and shine at the world cup stage, yet they failed, miserably, and it's not tolerable.
the major failure were gago, fede, and palacio. i don't even want to see them near the national team anymore.
the surprises were of course romero and rojo who both prove me wrong as they were brilliant in the entire tournament.
and players such as zaba, perez, biglia, basanta, garay, and lavezzi were unlucky to be side by side with all those major flops above. and i don't think most of them would be wearing the argentina shirt ever again after this.
to me, mascherano and messi is the only players who really play his heart out for argentina the whole tournament. if there is no players such as both in the squad, the sabella squad will never make it to the final.
for me, since the beginning, sabella has done some major mistakes. so the continuation of him as manager would be meaningless. he would be repeating the same mistakes. and the mistakes he made was major, not just a minor one.
so whoever would take the manager position first off have to build the squad all over again. and this means pekerman and martino will never be much of my choice, none of them. maybe some locals such as bianchi, yes, carlos bianchi. he's the only one who can take this squad, build them again from bottom and take them to the top.
i tell you this. argentina have to build the squad again. and have to sacrifices some big names, and bring some new names and young players in.
pekerman, martino, simeone, maradona were unlikely doing this, so they are out.
5 players SHOULD stay:
ROMERO
ROJO
GARAY
MASCHERANO
MESSI


Pino
(United States)
Posted on 8/2/2014 at 12:13 AM
1
But I do tip my hat off to Sabella (the positive).

We have not made it to the final in 24 long years.

Sabella reminded us that it is possible to reach the finals again.

Because, we have the players and the coaches.

Vamos Argentina.

Hopefully we can take this great momentum Sabella gave us again, and stay at the top were we belong for many years, and win some more stars.

Because this Nation deserves more than two stars with the quality of players we have.


Pino
(United States)
Posted on 8/1/2014 at 11:51 PM
0
1990, who's fault? It was a 50/50 challenge at the 90th minute, the referee.

1994, who's fault? Maradona, drug violation.

1998, who's fault? The coach, building a team around Ortega who got red carded on top of that.

2002, who's fault? The coach Bielsa, overly trained the players who were exhausted.

2006, who's fault? The coach Pekerman, substitution.

2010, who's fault? AFA Grondona, and the coach Maradona, who got hired by Grondona.

2014, who's fault? The coach Sabella, substitution.

It's always the coach is fault, and who coaches the Argentinian NT?, us.

Who's to blame?, us, that's it.


Faisal
(Bangladesh)
Posted on 8/1/2014 at 11:47 PM
1
In The World cup 2014,

We won our first 4 match because of Messi's brilliance and overall team strength over opposition team.

Against Belgium and Netherlands we played with Sabella's defensive tactics and that paid off.

Against Germany I thought we also played with Sabella's tactics and actually had better chance to win it than Germany. We had three clear cut chances than Germany and it was our mistake that we couldn't capitalize our chances.

I don't think blaming Messi and Sabella would be right cause both have doubting issues and not a natural leader like Maradona or Bilardo.


Pino
(United States)
Posted on 8/1/2014 at 11:39 PM
0
We only have two stars, and that's what really matters.

We could talk for days about the AFA, but Grondona did a good job. We sell players to Europe every year.

We could talk about the coaches and players, but Grondona, besides the inclusion of Maradona, selected good coaches.

No excuses, we have the best players in the world.

Who to blame?, us.

That's it.



niklucky02
(India)
Posted on 8/1/2014 at 11:28 PM
0
@elpipita: For the first time, I may need to somewhat agree with Maxi Lopez's comment. But you are correct calling Sabella and Messi idiots are equal to trolling as they have achieved something that their God Pekerman and co were not able to achieve.

I believe the main weakness with Sabella was the commanding power in dressing room like Van Gaal,Alex Fergusson or even Biesla had. There is no way a captain can go to media and crticise about the playing formation i.e equal to go out and bitch about your own family.I speculate that Maxi might be right about the substitutions part as we all know Kun is his best friend in Arg camp.
And if we lost the reason is him and gago and the reason for we didn't win is because of Higuain and Palacio.

As far as I have seen Sabella, he may be a genius but at the same time, he is cautious too.Sometimes you need to be brave enough to achieve big things. SO whoever the future coach of ARG team is we need someone who makes decision and decide where the best player should play and not the other way around even at the cost of dropping him. Remember, no one is greater than Argentina."Loose with pride win with dignity!" Vamos Argentina!

Note: Messi is my second love after ARgentina.


cleanball
(Indonesia)
Posted on 8/1/2014 at 11:26 PM
0
Not a good time for Argentina football. The demise of Don julio and Sabella's resignation left the struggle for power and lots of dirty politics starts over. Hopefully the new young generation will take over and begins the reformation. Put the national interest o.ver their own self intetest. Although sound impossible but lets pray for it to happen. Amin


mamoun "elpipita"
(Iraq)
Posted on 8/1/2014 at 10:46 PM
2
@Maxi Lopez, look man I'm all for people posting their opinions on this site (that's what it's there for after all!) but you really have to stop with those inflammatory comments.
Calling Messi and Sabella idiots!? really?! I concede that Messi wasn't at his best and Sabella made some mistakes but thanks to these 2 Argentina had it's greatest showing at the WC since 86 (yeah this team was miles better than the 1990 one).

So criticizing the team is well within a fan's right but to call them "idiots" after that solid showing is just plain trolling.



HollywoodHayat
(United States)
Posted on 8/1/2014 at 10:31 PM
0
@guled, true and ill never praise a coach until he wins something. Sabella was the best coach we had in a long time but he wasnt the perfect selection or fit for the team. There were better options out there and he did many mistakes throughout the cup. However, ill give him his credit he did an exceptional job.

And i just hope Pekerman doesnt get hired there are so many better options out there it would be a crime to hire someone that plays the opposite way of Sabella. Argentina should build on this structure and go from there.

Defense wins championships


guled
(United States)
Posted on 8/1/2014 at 10:03 PM
1
@hollywood, some people just like beauty more then winning trophies, sabella is being criticized as a fool and lucky even though he almost win the cup and pekerman is being praised as the best thing that ever happened to argentina, truth is pekerman football can't win trophies in the modern game, his football is beauty but it is difficult to win that way, argentina needs defensive coach, we will always have good technical players upfront so we must be strong at the back that is the way to win a trophy and we almost did it this year, we can win next copa with same line up that started in the final v Germany with just 2 or three changes


HollywoodHayat
(United States)
Posted on 8/1/2014 at 9:24 PM
2
I dont understand why ppl give Pekerman so much credit and are asking for another chance. Pekerman failed in 2006 with arguebly the beat team we had for the past 12 years. He had legends on that team Ayala, Riquelme, Aimar, Crespo. His teams dont play an inch of defense and he is one of the worst coaches in game to game adjustments and reading the other team's tactics. I clearly cant understand what ppl are calling for. His Colombia team was 10 times better than Brazil and his tactics and formation fell apart. He took out his best DM and started Freddy Guarin and decided to play an open game against a pressuring team! Thats suicide when ur not playin on home soil and thats exactly what he did.


zizo
(Jordan)
Posted on 8/1/2014 at 9:20 PM
0
pekerman did not resign his contract ended and colombians are trying to get him to renew while the morons in the afa are doing nothing and tata is already promoting himself as the coach seems too happy about it


Khan
(Bangladesh)
Posted on 8/1/2014 at 9:10 PM
1
Look at the wiki page of Pekerman! It showing him as the current coach of Argentina! Lol!!
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_P%C3%A9kerman


guled
(United States)
Posted on 8/1/2014 at 7:41 PM
0
Musacchio to spurs


Dfox
(United States)
Posted on 8/1/2014 at 7:00 PM
0
C'MON ARG, BRING Pekerman.

why would he quit otherwise??


Pino
(United States)
Posted on 8/1/2014 at 5:56 PM
0
Pekerman has resign with Colombia.



Mafioso
(Bangladesh)
Posted on 8/1/2014 at 4:06 PM
0
There was a member from China named 19 who would report to us every time Ferreyra scored.He had to do it frequently because Ferreyra scored a lot of goals that year,16 in 22 matches.At Urakine he started 5 league games scored 6.Looking forward to what he does with toons.


Ayr18
(United States)
Posted on 8/1/2014 at 3:52 PM
0
Ansaldi On a loan to atletico, Facundo Ferreyra loan to newcastle. Roberto Pereyra loan to juventus.


Maxi Lopez
(Argentina)
Posted on 8/1/2014 at 2:40 PM
4
CHALZ,

I hope you are fine my friend. Grondona was like the walls of the house, it seems he has always been here. I was there since I was born. So strange to be free now but maybe it's only a feeling. The whole system is totally corrupted.

Martino will be a disaster, another version of Basile. I would love Pekerman. But now that Grondona is not here anymore, you can dream about anyone (e.g. Bianchi). Even far better coaches.

WC 2014 still hurts CHALZ. I just can't believe what happened. Don't believe people here, the majority is composed of religious AFA fanatics. They will complain and insult me after what they will read here: Sabella and Messi killed us. Messi did it again, like in 2010. He demanded to play with 3 forwards upfront and after the break Sabela switched the very efficient 4-4-2 into 7-0-3. We were better than Germany with 4-4-2. With "4-3-3" we were equal. People think we lost because of bad luck. No, we lost because of 2 idiots who don't even know what they did.


ddr1123
(United States)
Posted on 8/1/2014 at 1:44 PM
0
Looks like Di Maria will go to PSG.
http://www.marca.com/2014/08/01/en/football/real_madrid/1406895011.html


Amlan
(Bangladesh)
Posted on 8/1/2014 at 1:04 PM
0
@DD, yes you are right. Newcastle have already made a loan deal with him.

We are in need of not only a new Messi, but a new Batistuta, a new Mascherano, a new Di Maria etc too. Good thing is Argentina have never been in need of attacking talents. Facundo Ferreyra can be one of them.


DD
(United States)
Posted on 8/1/2014 at 11:56 AM
0
@Amlan: Newcastle have already grabbed him on a season-long loan. HE had a very good season in Ukraine, scoring 6 goals in 13 matches.
Hope he has a wonderful season in EPL. He could be a great prospect for the NT in future. He's already 23. I haven't seen his heading ability. But certain aspects of his game including turning, first time shots, clinical finishes do remind me of Batistuta. It would be a huge comparison to make at this stage though!


Amlan
(Bangladesh)
Posted on 8/1/2014 at 7:15 AM
0
Off topic:

Looks like Facundo Ferreyra is coming to Premier League as West Ham and Newcastle are tracking him.


Chalz
(Oman)
Posted on 8/1/2014 at 6:59 AM
0
Maxi Lopez, any support among afa board members for Pekerman to come back?? Looks like everyone is supporting Martino there and here too.
.
Since age is catching up with Pekerman, shouldnt he be given another chance???
.
Zanetti, Batistuta, Ayala, Sorin, Simeone, Veron etc. should take the mantle, now is the time.
.
Passeralla - the strict officer.
.
Argentina - utilize this chance


Maxi Lopez
(Argentina)
Posted on 8/1/2014 at 6:24 AM
0
If someone ethical and honest like Pupi Zanetti doesn't step in now, nothing will change and mafia will continue to ruin argie futbol.

I doubt things will move afterall: the person who will be elected will want to become the new Grondona and will use his tricks. No doubt the candidate has been dreaming about earning millions per annum during half a century...

People here know nothing about what is going on in Argentina: economy ruined and currently bankrupting again, Argentina at the bottom of international corruption rankings, etc.

Argentina has an incredible economic potential with for example, outstanding natural gas resources in shale. But politics waste everything as usual.

Corruption has destroyed this country and Grondona killed our futbol for his own interest. With a normal management team, we would have won easily 2002, 2006, 2010 and 2014. With a normal President, we would have not been stolen in 1990 or 2006. Yes, winning a WC should be easy when you are Argentina..

Time to re-build to expect results in a decade or so. This is closed, canceled and done. At least, I hope so.


fotobirajesh
(India)
Posted on 8/1/2014 at 5:59 AM
0
RIP Grondona.

Getting very annoyed by Maradona, actually. I dont know who exactly has the brain of an adolescent or teenager - Deigo or Pele.

I hope the new president will not elecet Maradona or Martino as the new coach.


travis
(Japan)
Posted on 8/1/2014 at 3:10 AM
0
R.I.P.


DEVEN
(Nepal)
Posted on 8/1/2014 at 1:52 AM
0
May his Soul Rest in Peace [RIP]. He did what he could for Argentina's football circuit and all he could do for the national team. Let's hope someone as dedicated as Grondona will take over the reins for the great football future of the Albiceleste. Whoever takes over must ensure that THE WORLD CUP 2018 COMES TO ARGENTINA, AT ANY COST, THIS MUST BE THE PRIMARY OBJECTIVE of the new President of AFA...AND THE NEW COACH OF THE NATIONAL TEAM, nothing else matters i reckon.


Gilly
(India)
Posted on 7/31/2014 at 7:04 PM
3
No offense but Maradona should just shut up completely and keep away himself. I mean is it necessary to speak in every matter and create controversy for cheap publicity ? Is it required for a player of his stature to sound like a clown and an idiot always ?? I think he should hire a professional PR agency or image consultant to handle his media communication


Mauro Rosales 2004
(Argentina)
Posted on 7/31/2014 at 6:15 PM
0
All fired Grondona, many argentine footballers coaches, ex'es arriving assume so for the funeral

Translated in English from ole:

Many football figures were to land in Ezeiza AFA Julio Grondona to dismiss. The wake will continue until noon on Friday. Mascherano, Maxi Rodríguez, Kily Gonzalez, Basile, Merlo, Veira, among others, were present.

Julio Grondona's death shocked the Argentine and world football. The wake of the leader of the AFA and FIFA vice was a common ground for the different personalities of the environment is made present on the campus of AFA in Ezeiza. Many familiar faces came to lay the remains of Don Julio. Visitation will continue until Friday at noon when his remains are brought to the cemetery in Avellaneda.

Current and former players, coaches, soccer officials and political, were those who would not miss. Javier Mascherano and Maxi Rodriguez came together from Rosario, to the last goodbye. Argentinos Juniors Men were all together: Riquelme, Borghi, Ledesma and Caruzzo. The Kily González far past national team, also came. Alfio Basile and friends Mustard Merlo followed suit and arrived in the same car. In addition, it could see a respectful and a sense Bambino Veira July 'Vasco' Olarticoechea. Also, the Head of Government of Buenos Aires and former president of Boca, Mauricio Macri, and the newly Independent honcho, Hugo Moyano, passed through Ezeiza. Banfield also president, Eduardo Espinosa, Fernando Marín, former owner of Blanquiceleste. All fired Julio Grondona.

http://www.ole.com.ar/fuera-de-juego/despiden-Grondona_0_1184881774.html

Maradona's Minute silence done and dusted from ole:

Maradona spoke after the death of Julio Grondona and declared their respect for their family only smaller. "Just do a minute of silence for them., Nothing more. This is closed, canceled and done," he said.


Within hours of the death of Julio Grondona, Diego Armando Maradona, who had already forwarded their condolences via their official Facebook profile, spoke on the subject. "I only do a minute of silence for their grandchildren., Nothing more. This is closed, canceled and done," he simply stated in Infama.

It is known that the relationship between Ten with former boss of the AFA did not end on good terms. So the sentence of former national team coach about it. Diego made the call to the program to clarify a personal situation, where it links with a new lady. "We are rebuilding the relationship with Veronica (Ojeda). Both are free" slipped about her love situation

http://www.ole.com.ar/fuera-de-juego/Solo-nietos_0_1184881801.html



Trini Pupi
(Trinidad And Tobago)
Posted on 7/31/2014 at 5:29 PM
0
Me being sentimental make Pekerman or Zanetti president! lol

I know that won't happen...I hope the right person is hired. Sabella always stated he was done...my guess he really WAS considering staying but in the end stuck with his original decision.

As chainsaw said...the Copa America is very close and the continuity Sabella had would have been perfect leading into another tournament. With a new coach on board , that person would basically (no fault of his own) have only a few months to prepare and analyse players and do the whole process all over again. This combined with AFA elections I think would greatly hamper the team.

We have to see who is the new president...
Whoever wins will try to start implementing his policies....its all so very complex. I respect what international coaches and proffesional coaches do so much more now since I work in this field.


cleanball
(Indonesia)
Posted on 7/31/2014 at 4:21 PM
0
RIP Mr.Julio Grondona, the end of old reign, begins of new era for AFA. His charismatic and dictatatorial leadership are in library now. Hopefully AFA will find a new cleaner leader that brings glory to Argentina football. The domestic competition, intervention in N/T, player selection , these all have to reform and re establish. Need a reformer to lead AFA and conmebol.

Peace to Julio's soul, he keeps his words to resign after WC.


msi2
(France)
Posted on 7/31/2014 at 4:15 PM
0
I dotn know why people assumed that Sabella left because of Grondona...


rey
(United Kingdom)
Posted on 7/31/2014 at 4:14 PM
0
Wow the guy had so much much towards him, and now he has gone. Would Sabella have stayed? Now will Pekerman be wanting the job more, or maybe Diego will fight to come back.. Ltes hope the next guy will be better!!


Chainsaw
(Iran)
Posted on 7/31/2014 at 1:37 PM
0
I don't think they wait another 3 month to announce the new manager. It's crazy to waste this much time when Copa America is less than a year away.

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