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Posted by John (Sivan John) Tuesday, July 29, 2014 Go To Comments

UNOFFICIAL: Sabella Resigns

Various news have emerged that Alejandro SABELLA has informed Julio GRONDONA that he won't continue his role as the manager of Argentina. 

We can expect the AFA to make an Official announcement tomorrow. 

For now, as mentioned by Roy in the previous article; it looks like Jose PEKERMAN is the leading choice to replace him but nothing is confirmed yet as to regard who will be the new manager. 




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mamoun "elpipita"
(Iraq)
Posted on 7/30/2014 at 12:31 PM
0
Yeah lots of footballers wait for the ball and that's exactly what messi did and when messi, kun and pipita where on the pitch the duties weren't divided evenly cos non of them tracked back that's why the system was uneven
Half of the opening match and all the remaining group matches and the swis round of 16 were played with 4 attacking players even though there were clear flaws in the system but it was done to make Messi happy.
Dimaria's injury made the switch in the system necessary so no one sacrificed messi. But if Messi were to be "sacrificed" for the sake of the team then I'm all for it


Chainsaw
(Iran)
Posted on 7/30/2014 at 10:31 AM
0
Nobody in today's football "wait for the ball". Everyone runs, it's just the amount of duties which get divided between the player on the pitch. And it had nothing to do with the opening matches. The opening matches started with Mr. Sabella fielding a 5-3-2 formation. How balanced was that? It only took 45 minutes for him to realize how imbalanced it was. In the second match it was the typical park the bus match by Iran, so Argentina which is a counter attacking side found difficulty to score a goal until the 91 mintue which own it to Messi's brilliance solely.

In the Belgium match we only had 30 minutes to watch 4 attacking players on the pitch, cause as soon as Perez went in for the injured Di Maria Argentina went into the full controling the game mode and Lavezzi's workrate went into the help the defence out. So we only had one Messi who moved back to the middle and one Higuain all alone upfront. Nothing attacking about this.

So I still donno where did your "Sabella should not suit Messi ahead of the team" came from. If anything Messi was sacrificed for the team, specially when we lost Di Maria, not the other way around.


mamoun "elpipita"
(Iraq)
Posted on 7/30/2014 at 9:50 AM
0
@chainsaw I'm not confused at all, Messi preferred the 4-3-3 where he, kun and pipita would wait for the ball to come to them high up field while doing the minimal amount of work possible and thus leaving the defensive duties to the remaining 7 players. It was highly imbalanced and it showed in the opening games.

Now, you seem to be the one confusing "defensive approach" with a "balanced" one. In the belgium game Sabella still used 4 attacking players but since Lavezzi took Kun's place it was more balanced because Lavezzi was playing the role of a winger and he actually tracked back.
And this "defensive approach" as you call didn't hinder anyone, the reality is Messi, pipita and Palacio all had some shocking misses in the final. The system worked but the attack didn't and that's the sad truth.
As for Messi well I disagree with the fact that he was, as you claim, "isolated" since he had 2 golden opportunities to score against Belguim and Germany and he failed to do so. Now some of you might say that 2 opportunities is nothing but in such a tight competitive world cup that might be all a player will get.
And don't get me wrong I'm not knocking on Messi and I think he performed quite well but he wasn't even 70% of his peak and I think it's time to stop catering to a player who clearly isn't at his peak and focus on building an airtight system that ensures fair distribution of work rate throughout the entire team.


Nocturnal
(Bangladesh)
Posted on 7/30/2014 at 8:48 AM
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Sabella was the best Coach since 1990.
It's hard to find a replacement of him.
I think neither Tata nor Peckerman can fill his shoes.
Rather i prefer Simione.


Chainsaw
(Iran)
Posted on 7/30/2014 at 8:39 AM
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elpipita, maybe you stop getting tired of this if you stop confusing yourself with what "creat everything to suit Messi" is. Actually every coach want to avoid limiting their best players in order to get the best out of them, which eventually benefit their own teams. It's not only about Messi. And unlike what you claim Sabella stopped "suiting Messi" the moment he started getting the defensive approach in the WC. Even in his own words Messi sacrificed himself for the team, maybe if he really did what you claim he did to suit Messi, Messi didn't look too isolated or far from the goal the more we progressed in the WC.

Since when the defensive approach suit the attacking players?! Messi from a physical aspect is no Ronaldo. He needed to play more close to the goal to be more effective, but that was not the case in the matches against Holland and Germany. Messi moved further back to the middle to the middle maybe to cover up the absence for Di Maria, and that IMO was one of the reasons he couldn't be as effective as we want him to be.



baker
(India)
Posted on 7/30/2014 at 7:38 AM
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Well said elpipita.


mamoun "elpipita"
(Iraq)
Posted on 7/30/2014 at 7:09 AM
2
You know what as much as I love Messi I'm getting really tired of this prevailing idea that everything has to be created to suit Messi; how about creating a system that suits Argentina, because make no mistake, to me Messi is a DISTANT SECOND when compared to the blue and white shirt.
Sabella created a system (fab 4) that fit messi like a glove and Messi found his scoring shoes with Argentina.
During the WC group stage Sabella was using the 4-3-3 system despite the fact that the system wasn't working and the team was suffering but he continued to do so to accommodate Messi.
After the swis game Sabella had to make a tough decision and he chose the team over messi and that's what got the team to the final.

I guess what I'm trying to say that if the next manager, like Sabella, finds a system that balances the team and gives it the required solidarity then it is Messi who has to find a way to adapt and not the other way around.


msi2
(France)
Posted on 7/30/2014 at 2:55 AM
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Chainsaw> Ah well that would explain the whole issue then... or at least a big part of it.


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 7/30/2014 at 2:11 AM
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HOAXone: I do remember 86 as I was 17 and you are very correct on that team, the defence was fantastic, mid mean and strong as well as valdano and burr.

it was a well balanced team that suited Diago unlike sabellas team that was far to defensively heavy and did not really suit messi.


HOAXone
(United States)
Posted on 7/30/2014 at 1:53 AM
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Moonbear - Agreed, Sabella did bring back oranization and created a respectful and humble team. I hope we are not taking a step back but unless Simeone takes over or by a sheer miracle Guardiola comes to coach I don't see us having nothing but a bumpy ride.

I was hoping AFA would give Sabella a few weeks off...send him on a full paid vacation and let him recharge and come back to claim la Copa America in 2015.

Messi will be 31 in 2018. With that being said he may not be at his fastest anymore but he will possibly still be sharp. I think a wise thing would be to start dressing him up as el enganche of the team. Take the weight off of him to score...let him create opportunities for others which in turn may allow more opportunities to score as the attention is not on all on him.


Chainsaw
(Iran)
Posted on 7/30/2014 at 1:49 AM
1
Messi is struggling with fitness issues. He's been going on some vomit issue for more than a year now. If you think he is walking only with Argentina you haven't seen him much with Barca in the past seasons then. Guillem Balague the Spanish journalist who last year published a biography of Messi said about his performance in the final:

“You have to understand his physique to understand what happened to him. Alejandro Sabella decided to get the team to defend deep and leave Messi 50 metres away from goal. Messi is a guy who has been coached all his life physically to have explosive sprints, near the box, short distances, and then as you are a number 9 or second forward, you have time to recover from that. And then he has to do another one and another one. Instead, with Argentina, he was being asked to play 50 metres from the box and do those sprints but from 50 metres and do it more often, because when you are out so deep, you need to do that more often, and he hasn’t got the necessary physique.So there was a decision to be made. He thought: ‘If I do that after 45 minutes, I’ll be dead, so I will just walk and make sure I’m okay for the last 10 minutes to see if I can break defences when they are more tired.”

“In the eyes of people, the verdict was that he wasn’t at his best, but the team didn’t complement his characteristics. He took Argentina to the World Cup final. He was the best player of the game for four games, he scored four goals, they were seven minutes away from penalties. All in all, it wasn’t a bad World Cup for Messi. It’s just that, as Sabella decided to create a team that counter-attacked, it just didn’t benefit him. He was aware of it, and he tried to make the best out of it by making sure that he didn’t use his energy for 90 minutes, but only in moments.”


HOAXone
(United States)
Posted on 7/30/2014 at 1:46 AM
0
Guled...were you around to see the 86 World Cup? Maradona did not win that alone! He made the team better, made the perfect passes and changes of pace in the game. That was a team - the defence was the back bone and played well, the midfield was a well oiled machine and Valdano and Burru scored when needed especially in the final. Maradona did put this team on his shoulders but in the sense that he made his team mates better. He would easily succedd in today's games.


Chalz
(Oman)
Posted on 7/30/2014 at 1:11 AM
0
Pep&msi2, reflections of What i wrote about Messi here day ago.... Infact i was bashed up... But thatz the truth and even If people see that ... That are acting as If not...
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I love Messi just as everyone does But he is now past his prime.... I infact dont want to say this bcoz he is än Argentine.. . But its än undigestable truth.
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Team should not be built around Messi anymore .... He should be parta of the teams thats all. Remember individual talents cannot and will not win games anymore as Footballer has changes from Maradona days. (This last line was stated By many brilliant bloggers here)
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Messi Needs Pep Guardiola and discipline Back to be Who he was.


Zoroaster
(Germany)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 9:51 PM
2
i dont understand wtf is wrong with you.these comments are all bs let the youth team play blablabla let us lose 5:0 we have spent 500 euros on tickets for that game and we want to see argentina winning the damn match and play with all the regular players but i doubt it since for example messi will play a match which takes place 2 days before the argentina vs germany friendly.afa should cancel the match if they want to play with the B team.


JasonZ
(Germany)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 7:20 PM
0
actually mesi scored a goal against mexico in 2006. it was the winning goal in injury time, and it was wrongly ruled out offside!

damn, he actually did score for us a very important in a ko-game of the world cup. Don't forget that, folks.


JasonZ
(Germany)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 7:08 PM
1
yes, our strikers didn't deliver, but tell me the last world cup when they did?

I wouldn't say that Batistuta and Crespo delivered in the big games of the world cup (no, a hattrick against greece or jamaica i don't consider an achievement).

And don't mention Tevez. He can only score when 10 metres offside like 2010 against Mexico. Well, Higuain is better, he can score when just one meter offside, just the refs saw it this time.

By the way, i am not criticize the players, i know they all gave their best.




Gilly
(India)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 7:05 PM
0
With Sabella leaving , all of us can take respite and build our hopes on how even after taking Netherlands to the final of the WC 2010 Van Mervijk left and the new coach Van Gaal came in almost very different approach , made them fly through the qualifiers and took them just almost into another final just 4 years later , building on youth and experience...

So guys relax , Argentina will be alright and we will shine again in 2018.


guled
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 6:52 PM
2
Messi will play deeper in 2018, he is slowly moving in that direction, his playmaking ability will help the team, even in this World Cup he created the most chances but the other forwards never showed up at this World Cup, it is hypocrisy to blame messi , he did his part and now the game is no longer in 1980s were one player could dominate, things have changed now it is more of team game and more tactical, if maradona played today he won't be able to replicate what he did in 1986, that was then and now is different time


MoonBear
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 6:50 PM
2
Just heard the news on Sabella. What a truly sad day for our national team. The last 2 winners of the world cup (Spain 2010/Germany 2014) had long-term projects and kept building with a roadmap and stability in coaching.

We can argue about tactics, substitutions, player selection but we can never argue that with Sabella as coach, we expected to win! The guy just hardly ever lost a match with a full squad. He brought pride, organization and class back to the team and for that I will always be grateful.

As for the AFA, what a joke of an organization. They pay laughably low wages so that they can line their own pockets with the revenue. Then they are always caught off-guard when coaches resign. I am wiling to bet that if AFA decided to reward Sabella with a market-level wage or told him to take a few months off while his top assistants took over for the meaningless friendly, Sabella would have stayed on with his batteries recharged. But hey, that would require fairness and creative thinking…not common AFA characteristics.

I hope I am wrong but I have a feeling we might be taking a big step backwards to the days of barely qualifying for the World Cup (2010) instead of leading the qualification table and having a world cup finalist team that should have won that last match with even a little luck.


Mauro Rosales 2004
(Argentina)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 6:46 PM
1
Press Conference Alejandro Sabella on 30/07/2014

Official NEWS from AFA

From AFA's Website, Sabella will hold a official conference on 30/07/2014:

Tomorrow at 16, in the Conference Room of the Housing Premises and Deportivo de Ezeiza, Mr. Alejandro Sabella will offer a press conference.

Mobile Media will enter 1530 and reporters and photographers at 15.45.

Controlling the press held at the entrance gate of the Premises and shall be entitled to enter a journalist involved.

Photographers will be credited to the entrance gate through ARGRA, under the coordination of Mr. Diego Guardia.

Directorate of Media and Communication AFA

Buenos Aires, July 29, 2014

AFA News

http://www.afa.org.ar/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=21244:juanjsue&catid=164&Itemid=581&lang=en

ole ole poll

42% of Argentine public want pekermen
26% Tata
19% Simeone
7% Otro
4% Russo

Looks like Sabella Goonna Resign Tommoroow


Gilly
(India)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 6:45 PM
0
All I can say is, Thankyou Sabella . You are super dignified , super calm and tactical genius , sir & we Gringos and Argies and Amigos all around the world send u our highest respect.

Bless you always!


guled
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 6:44 PM
0
Messi chance was an angel wich is difficult to score also if he was strong in his right foot it would have been better but he used his left foot when the right foot was the better option becouse he is leftie


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 6:44 PM
0
pep: i know what you are saying but it did not happen that way.
yes we did get 3 fantastic chances 1 being a kraut mistake and 2 we created, also remember they hit the post, had a good header and also took their one presentable chance.

you must remember sabella put his trust in an injured hig and also in pal who at n/t level could not hit a barn door, they are the players he choose to play for us, sabella players and they let him down but they were still sabellas choices to play them.


msi2
(France)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 6:28 PM
2
"but messi now days is the most talented player, but is a liability, because he doesnt defend... just walks...
"

Actually he rarely defended even his best years. It's not his thing.

Personally, i have given up on expecting to see the best messi on NT. As i said a couple days ago, this guy needs too much fine-tuning for my liking. He needs to be in form, to be surrounded by the right players, being integrated in a compact team for him not to run too much because he has shit stamina. The other players need to be in top form too or else they can't bring him what he needs to shine and as a result his performance tends to suffer (not to say colapse). Messi has flashes of brilliance and much time of disappearance. The biggest difference between him and Maradona is the latter was able to make shine his teammate, the former is heavily depend on them.

We will see what happen in the next 4 years but i'm afraid we saw his peak and he will only (hopefully slowly) get worse as time passes on...


JasonZ
(Germany)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 6:14 PM
0
I ma bot trolling. I say that Higuain is probably traumatizes after that miss. If he now scores in this useless friendly, what will people say: he misses when it counts the most and scores when it doesn't mean anything and he will feel the same way.

And by the way, Messi didn't have a clear chance in the final. It was probably more than a halfchance, maybe even two. But clear chances have been only Higuain and Palacio.



pep
(Argentina)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 6:08 PM
0
pablo.d,

messi, pipita and palacio had clear clear chances to score in the final...

sabella is a great GREAT coach...

had messi been as good as he was in 2013,12,11,10; argentina would have won the world cup easily...

but messi now days is the most talented player, but is a liability, because he doesnt defend... just walks...


Jack!
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 6:07 PM
0
Jason, sorry bro, you are not making any sense. They will laugh at us? And your suggestion of losing 5-0, they won't? Nobody is going to laugh at anybody. Lead for their psyche if they score? Uhhh what??? Not sure if you are trolling.


pep
(Argentina)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 6:03 PM
0

DD,
we beat germany before wc2010, then maradona made a new messed up line up...

we beat germany in 2012, 3 1, against 10 player germany, and we could have beaten them in 2014, but pipita, palacio and messi missed their chances...

and well, when they put gago we were bound to lose, because when gago did not play we kept a cleaned sheet in the whole world cup, with gago, we always got scored....



Mauro Rosales 2004
(Argentina)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 5:59 PM
0
Press Conference Alejandro Sabella on 30/07/2014

Official NEWS from AFA

From AFA's Website, Sabella will hold a official conference on 30/07/2014:

Tomorrow at 16, in the Conference Room of the Housing Premises and Deportivo de Ezeiza, Mr. Alejandro Sabella will offer a press conference.

Mobile Media will enter 1530 and reporters and photographers at 15.45.

Controlling the press held at the entrance gate of the Premises and shall be entitled to enter a journalist involved.

Photographers will be credited to the entrance gate through ARGRA, under the coordination of Mr. Diego Guardia.

Directorate of Media and Communication AFA

Buenos Aires, July 29, 2014

AFA News

http://www.afa.org.ar/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=21244:juanjsue&catid=164&Itemid=581&lang=en

ole ole poll

42% of Argentine public want pekermen
26% Tata
19% Simeone
7% Otro
4% Russo

Looks like Sabell Goonna Resign Tommoroow


Mauro Rosales 2004
(Argentina)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 5:57 PM
0
42% of Argentine public want pekermen
26% Tata
19% Simeone
7% Otro
4% Russo


Mauro Rosales 2004
(Argentina)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 5:57 PM
0
ole ole poll

42% simooe% of Argentine public want pekermen
26% Tata
19% Simeone
7% Otro
4% Russo


Pino
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 5:54 PM
0
It's out of Pekerman, Tata, Russo, or Diaz.

All good coaches.

That's the word on the street.


Mauro Rosales 2004
(Argentina)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 5:48 PM
0
Press Conference Alejandro Sabella on 30/07/2014

Official NEWS from AFA

From AFA's Website, Sabella will hold a official conference on 30/07/2014:

Tomorrow at 16, in the Conference Room of the Housing Premises and Deportivo de Ezeiza, Mr. Alejandro Sabella will offer a press conference.

Mobile Media will enter 1530 and reporters and photographers at 15.45.

Controlling the press held at the entrance gate of the Premises and shall be entitled to enter a journalist involved.

Photographers will be credited to the entrance gate through ARGRA, under the coordination of Mr. Diego Guardia.

Directorate of Media and Communication AFA

Buenos Aires, July 29, 2014

AFA News

http://www.afa.org.ar/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=21244:juanjsue&catid=164&Itemid=581&lang=en


DD
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 5:48 PM
0
These friendlies are really meaningless. We beat them in 2009 in a friendly (1-0) & then got hammered 4-0 in the QF of 2010 WC. We beat them 3-1 (I guess) in 2012 in Germany & then lost the 2014 WC final 0-1. What's the point winning these friendly?
Since we can't cancel this, we should just take this match as a stage to experiment a few new players & may be new tactics.
One of the areas where we went wrong in the final was we allowed too much possession deliberately to them. You can't allow 60+% of possession to a team like Germany & then hope NOT to concede a goal in 120 minutes of play. We can try to change that may be in this match! What else can I say!!!


Mauro Rosales 2004
(Argentina)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 5:45 PM
0
Official NEWS from AFA

From AFA's Website, Sabella will hold a official conference on 30/07/2014:

Tomorrow at 16, in the Conference Room of the Housing Premises and Deportivo de Ezeiza, Mr. Alejandro Sabella will offer a press conference.

Mobile Media will enter 1530 and reporters and photographers at 15.45.

Controlling the press held at the entrance gate of the Premises and shall be entitled to enter a journalist involved.

Photographers will be credited to the entrance gate through ARGRA, under the coordination of Mr. Diego Guardia.

Directorate of Media and Communication AFA

Buenos Aires, July 29, 2014

AFA News

http://www.afa.org.ar/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=21244:juanjsue&catid=164&Itemid=581&lang=en


Mauro Rosales 2004
(Argentina)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 5:44 PM
0
From AFA's Website, Sabella will hold a official conference on 30/07/2014:

Tomorrow at 16, in the Conference Room of the Housing Premises and Deportivo de Ezeiza, Mr. Alejandro Sabella will offer a press conference.

Mobile Media will enter 1530 and reporters and photographers at 15.45.

Controlling the press held at the entrance gate of the Premises and shall be entitled to enter a journalist involved.

Photographers will be credited to the entrance gate through ARGRA, under the coordination of Mr. Diego Guardia.

Directorate of Media and Communication AFA

Buenos Aires, July 29, 2014

AFA News

http://www.afa.org.ar/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=21244:juanjsue&catid=164&Itemid=581&lang=en






Mauro Rosales 2004
(Argentina)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 5:40 PM
0
Offical

AFA Name Humberto Grondona as new U20 Argentina Coach

http://www.afa.org.ar/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=166&Itemid=68&lang=en

http://www.ole.com.ar/seleccion/sucesor-Sabella_0_1183081902.html


JasonZ
(Germany)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 5:37 PM
1
But if we win this friendly it will be humaliating! we lost the wc final, we lost 2006 and 2010, and beat them in friendlies? They will laugh at us.

I know, not possible to cancel this game, but then play with players who didn't play in that final.

And i believe if Higuain or Messi would play this friendly and it happens that they score it would be bad for their psyche.


Jack!
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 5:15 PM
1
These are suggestions do not make sense. Youth teams, lose 5-0? Nobody really wants to play these friendlies but they are there and you have to go on with it. How do you want the new manager to start, to lose 5-0.. Yeah, go to your new job, and sit there all day and not do anything, see how that goes. In a way, I hope Martino(if he is the new manger) to call up some new faces. Losing the World Cup final was a bitter bitter pill to swallow, a pain that none of us will ever get over, but life goes on,and more tournaments will be in front of us. We need to win the Copa America, just to get the ball moving and actually win something.


Jack!
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 4:55 PM
0

This friendly was set months before we played them in the final.


JasonZ
(Germany)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 4:53 PM
0
we should lose this friendly 5:0, even if it is deliberately! losing in wc but winning in friendlies is ridiculous!

probably boycot any friendlies against germany till we beat them in world cup at least quarterfinal.


Juli2014
(Argentina)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 4:44 PM
0
We shouldn't worry about friendlies... our problem is that we always want to win.. we should be more like germany and italy who really don't care about friendlies.. although it is a great opportunity to test players..


Chainsaw
(Iran)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 4:43 PM
0
Do not judge Martino base on his Barca stint. That was a season of chaos at Barca, both on and off the pitch. His style suit Argentina more than Barca.


rey
(United Kingdom)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 4:32 PM
0
does anybody else know that our first friendly is against.....Germany!!


Jack!
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 4:22 PM
0
What do you mean please no Martino?????? Did you even know him before he got to Barcelona??? Stop it. Just stop. Give him time an do great , and he left a strong project when he left Newll's which he led to a title. So I do no get this he is another Batista.


Chalz
(Oman)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 4:16 PM
0
Sabella - v respect u, sir


Chalz
(Oman)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 4:14 PM
1
Martino, pls say no!!!!!!
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Oh no not again.... Batista 2.0????
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We need Guardiola, But he already stated..... No coaching any other country.
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Yikes..... Martino ..... Pls say no


Jack!
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 4:10 PM
1
Martino's career is not all what he did or did not do with Barcelona. He nearly won the league with Messi missing a bunch of time and a joke of a defense. He is a defensive coach, he will have plenty to choose from to dry up his defense, Sabella left a strong defense. He will get the attack running as well. He won't place Messi further behind. He will do fine. And again, do not judge his time at FCB, that team was a joke.


Pino
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 4:08 PM
0
Tata is a really good coach.



Chalz
(Oman)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 4:01 PM
1
Grondona an Argentine???
.
I have doubts. ... When me a non-Argentine could love Argentina this much?? What is Grondona doing now.


HOAXone
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 3:58 PM
0
So Diario Ole says that there was an unofficial communication with Tata Martino in the last few weeks where he was asked if he would take up la Seleccion is Sabella left. They are making it sound that it is basically up to Martino if he wants the job or not. At this point I am sure he will take it.
I will say in the past that Martino's teams have been well organized but what he did recently with Barcelona left me with huge doubts. He basically slowly broke that lineup...place Messi farther back and the defense was just utterly disastrous with him.

Not sure about him taking charge. I prefer Simeone, Pekerman and even Guardiol which is a miracle over Martino right now.


gabo
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 3:42 PM
1
I'm personally happy with his resignation! we can't expect Messi to play this well in 2018! Probably Di Maria won't be at his prime either, not to mention the potential draw and facing the likes of Germany in quarter-finals again! many teams were much younger than us and will come back stronger in Russia. It will be a totally different game then which requires very different ideas. Whoever accepts this job better know what he's getting into and what is expected of him.




mmh007
(Argentina)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 3:40 PM
0
msi2
In 2 years as same same as you mentioning all of that except someone I can't remember they stick with long. My point is why can't they stick with one atleast 2 world cup time. If Pekerman would stay after 2006 than who knows we would have same place as German. Like Low Perkemn almost knew all of the young players


Chalz
(Oman)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 3:37 PM
1
Why Martino??? Why not Pekerman???
.
Grondona&Bilardo Needs to be thrown out.


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 3:32 PM
1
sabella is a good coach not a great one.
don't let getting to the w/c final by hook or by crook make you believe he's a great coach as it can be argued his decisions also failed us from:
not taking a back up striker as we all knew before the w/c pal and lav are not goal scorers at n/t level.
putting all his eggs in the gago basket to fit and then our only creative mid player.
no attacking plan b
taking players who had injury problems, it was a gamble and it did not work-sadly.
no creative mid field
not using friendlies to test other players and youth.
relying on messi to much
the 1st 3 games were a shambles at the w/c.
his subs were horrible.
in the final the his brain explosion in taking off of lav at half time changed the game and then bringing on gago finished it off-2 criminal acts.
is far to stubborn for his own good.
we had the players to replace di maria(as best you can) but he choose to insert another def mid into the set up thus the end of the counter attacking game that served us so well in the qualifs.
giving over 60% of the ball to your opposition is a crazy tactic.
I keep hearing he sorted out the defence, not in the 1st 3 games as we were a shambles then he added a def mid meaning we then had 6 def minded players on the field and no one to link the play to the attackers who had little ball to work with throught the w/c, in a way we became a park the bus team, sure it almost worked but in the end it did not.
we really had some luck for once-until the final.
we did not have the players to hold the ball like spain did in 2010, if you have the ball its more likely you will be able to create a chance some where, some how.

I will say sabella is a great guy and I like him a lot and things could have been so different had the fab 4 all been fit and gago fit but it was not to be.
he has done his job and thank you but its time for some one else to be in the hot seat.




HOAXone
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 3:29 PM
0
JasonZ haha actually some have become shorter. Palacio, Aguero, Messi are alot shorter then Valdano, Burruchaga that were our fwds in 86.


guled
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 3:27 PM
1
Martino will be the coach, we will se what he brings, I have doubts about him,his barcelona tenure was failure even the players weren't doing excercises rather they were eating BBQs and shit, he changed the team from messi as the main guy were every thing goes through him to Alexis Sanchez , that was stupid idea and barca paid a price for that, also he never motivates the players and makes terrible changes late in the game, I would take one of the local coaches over martino, we know pekerman won't work with grondona again


JasonZ
(Germany)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 3:25 PM
1
I believe the important thing is to have a great coach right before the world cup or copa america. really, i don't believe you have to stick around as long as possible with the national team to produce your results at the tournament.

all these qualification games and friendlies mean nothing and great coaches know that. If Sabella would have become the coach 2 months before the tournament i think he would have done the same great job (ok, this is hypothesis).

and again, we need taller players, i have the feeling the german players have become one head bigger since 1986 and our players are still the same height.


HOAXone
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 3:22 PM
0
msi2 very true, like you said, the last 10 years have been hectic and I think part of it is due to the sports media not being patient with a coach and his idea for the team...tho some like Batista, the end of Basile 2nd go around were just really bad and the needed a coaching change.


msi2
(France)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 3:20 PM
0
chainsaw> https://twitter.com/fczyz


msi2
(France)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 3:19 PM
1
mmh007> Utterly false... Menotti (1974-1982), Bilardo (1983-1990), Basile (1991-1994), Passarella (1994-1998), Bielsa (1998-2004). The past 10 years were hectic but you cant say AFA dont allow to stay more than 2 years.


HOAXone
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 3:16 PM
0
I honetly wished that Sabella would continue coaching. It would been best for the team to continue with the same ideas and goals as they have for the last 2 years.

Now as for the new coach...I feel that Martino is good but the fact that he was unable to well with Messi in Barcelona is a red flag to me. Peckerman is "Un Maestro" and was able to get some of the best from Argentina in many years in 2006. Simeone I think would be the best fit, he is young, has great ideas and can easily adapt to ideas. Also I know Pep Guardiola is not Argentino but he was able to create the best team around Messi and get the best out of him...the fact that they already know each other and he was able to orchestrate a great team around Messi are reasons to consider him.

Grondona needs to take this serious. Since 2000 we have had at least 6 different coaches with differen ideas, different styles and this affects the players and our chances. He needs to choose wisely and stick with the plan.


Chainsaw
(Iran)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 3:15 PM
0
Where did you get that msi2?


mmh007
(Argentina)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 3:12 PM
2
If Sabella goes than wait another 24 years to go another world Cup semifinal :((((
Really shocking news for Argentina football. AFA is a disaster. They can't convince a caoch to stay longer than 2 years. Like this way we never gonna go any further


msi2
(France)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 3:11 PM
0
OK looks like you can forget Pekerman.
Martino will get the job.


Juli2014
(Argentina)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 3:06 PM
1
Sabella was and always will be a great coach. We shouldn't be hard on him at all. He's tired.. It's a lot of work and pressure being a national team coach.


el pibe
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 2:50 PM
1
sabella did a good job or a great job the team went almost undefeated in the world cup. Yeah we lost to Germany but higuain has 2 chances palacio 1 and Messi 1. They did not score that cost us the world cup. He did not play it was the players. He was the third best manager behind Menotti and Bilardo. Good Luck to Pachorra and he was a humble and good coach.


Aslam
(Qatar)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 2:36 PM
1
Some of the fans here...!

Before this news: Sabella is the best...!
After this news: Sabella is not a great coach..!!


Pino
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 2:35 PM
0
Jack

Is not our fault he wanted to leave.

I actually wanted Sabella to stay.

Great job Sabella!

Sabella wanted to move on, and we have to move on as well.

We have two good candidates, hopefully Pekerman or Tata.


Jack!
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 2:30 PM
0
People need to pay a little more respect to Sabella around here. So what you didn't like his tactics, he took us to the final and we would've won it had our players out away their chances. So, please, pay a little more respect to him, because I am sure you were celebrating like a maniac after Maxi hit that PK.


Pino
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 2:25 PM
0
The important thing is from the new coach?

He has a good foundation of players, especially defense.


Pino
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 2:23 PM
0
It's true, Sabella is out.

Bring on the next coach.

Pekerman or Tata.



msi2
(France)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 2:16 PM
0
Reasons to step back: lack of energy and needs to rest (mentally).


Chainsaw
(Iran)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 2:09 PM
0
http://www.ole.com.ar/seleccion/Sabella_0_1183681866.html

All over.


HaititoArg
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 2:05 PM
0
I think sabella would the one coaching Argentina now Dunga is back for Brazil we gonna have a hard time beating them again I remember Dunga team use to beat us all the time.


HaititoArg
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 1:53 PM
0
I prefer sabella


yf
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 1:44 PM
0
Bummer. Was great to see such a formidable defense and organization from our team. Something no one expected nor has seen for a very long time. High turnover,Lack of continuity doesn't help anybody


Dinucci
(Argentina)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 1:33 PM
2
Great coach. Thank you sabella


zizo
(Jordan)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 1:15 PM
0
i wont be missing him the whole wc performance was absolutely forgettable runner up or not


Arge
(Suriname)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 1:04 PM
0
assistant coach take over instead a new coach.


LEO
(India)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 1:01 PM
0
IF AT ALL A NEW COACH COMES PLEASE KEEP AND TRUST HIM TILL NEXT WOLD CUP.... TEAM SELECTION MUST BE PURELY ON THE BASIS OF PLAYER PERFORMANCE....


Leandro
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 12:54 PM
0
To spin a positive, if Sabella leaves.. and the new coach builds on his system, aka great defensive play the we might be well off. The only thing I can fault Sabella on is being too conservative and not as elegant attacking. A coach like Pekerman could make our midfield and attack play more smooth and less dependent on individual grateness. There really was not tactic offensively this cup, it was let the Fab4 do their thing. We need our front line to be functional even without star players.. we relied to heavily on the dribble, and when our star players all got hurt and our attack became just ordinare.. there was no system. Germany on the other hand attacks the same way regardless of its players. I think a more offensive coach could help us, since we are blessed in that department. If you look at Diegos world cup team (before Germany suiside tactics) his attacks had a lot of good build up play, we just need a coach that is balanced, just a hair more offensive than Sabella.


vish
(India)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 12:48 PM
1
Sabella, if you are really leaving, we will miss you. You have done very well, much better than many other coaches including Pekerman and with a little bit of luck could have won the world cup


msi2
(France)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 12:43 PM
0
Well that's almost official.


msi2
(France)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 12:24 PM
0
Shinobushinobu>

Except.... that it doesnt depend on you only (or should i say Grondona). If Sabella wants to leave, what can you do?

Another thing, the Pekerman name has been brought by one AFA dirigeant, not Grondona himself. Apparently they are in good terms.

I, for one, think Pekerman's candidacy has been put on the table because there is growing uneasiness about the youth at AFA. Unlike the optimism shared by some here, currently in Argentina, many (specialists and observers) are less than impressed by the current crop of talent and there's a growing worry after 2018 (after the so-called "Messi" generation) of what we will happen after that WC...




Shinobushinobu
(Singapore)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 12:06 PM
0
Seriously? Hasn't we tried Pekerman before, with so many talents, and yet he failed? At that time, the team was even stronger then current team. Well, of course, it's possible Pekerman will make it right given 2nd chance. But he always stopped in quarterfinals. Our team has just passed the QF curse...

Also if the new coach cannot win us the Copa 2015, will we change another coach again? If it depends on me, I would vote for Sabella to stay.


mikeone718
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 11:58 AM
0
Sula - the end came too soon though. Sabella opened the door and showed us what things could be like again if we had a proper team on the field. We've got a problem with having too many coaches in a short span of time. We'd have at least 3 titles by the end of 2018 if Sabella decided to stick around.


arg2014
(Canada)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 11:58 AM
0
@Richard: Under Basile in 1994, we did horrible in the WC against Romania. Round of 16 exit was a huge failure. Sabella's resume reads WC final. We all know how the world cup is the hardest competition of them all. True coaches and true players can show it here. Same goes to Higuian and Aguero by the way, I don't care how many goals they score for their clubs, I count on their performance in the world cup. Confederation cup? who cares....Brazil won it last and they became the joke of this world cup.


niklucky02
(India)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 11:01 AM
0
@Deb- Pekerman may help us playing pretty football with plenty of possession and opportunities to many young talents but it will come at the cost of a tournament. I don't want to brag again and again but if AFA is looking for the future, they should make him understand and hire him as a youth coach.

We have seen him twice getting outsmarted in a major competition like WC. If he can't beat an overated Brazil side, I don't expect him to do squat in 2018.
Those who are complaining about Sabella, give him the existing Colombia squad and they will definitely reach at least Semis may be not with flair but with his tactics. I mean this guy has already topped World Cup Qualification (with Front FAB FOUR) and reach WC Final (with Back Fab SIX).

As a note, I was not a Sabella fan actually I never heard of him before he became NT coach but after seeing him, I'm his fan now.



WC Qualification Statistics
Team Pld W D L Pts
1 Argentina 16 9 5 32
2 Colombia 16 9 3 30


SulaV
(Canada)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 10:51 AM
0
Everything has an end guys. Lets support our new coach whoever that is


Chainsaw
(Iran)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 10:40 AM
0
Well Dfox, Messi exactly didn't help himself either by missing an one on one in the final.


albiceleste
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 10:05 AM
0
I agree completely with @Arg2014, and some other comments! but me personally I wanted Sabella to remain as the manager but.... it is what it is
folks


Dfox
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 9:58 AM
0
http://www.sport.co.uk/football/how-sabella-and-higuain-denied-messi-a-world-cup/4835059/

Interesting read


vish
(India)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 9:58 AM
0
@JasonZ. Sabella thought about it and that"s why he included di Santo. Problem was he was not good enough. We do not have too many tall strikers with quality, probably Icardi is an exception. Tall strikers are definitely welcome.


JasonZ
(Germany)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 6:38 AM
0
in 2006 ayala headed against germany after a corner. he is only 1,77m, but a monster in the air.

however, klose equalised with a header, and the assist from borowski (very tall) was also a header. klose won the head battle against sorin, if i remember right.

the only other chance germany had in 2006 was a ballack header in the first half.

against mexico in 2006 we conceived a goal after a freekick and the assist was also a header.

we need more players like Garay, great defenders all around, he was unbeatable in the air!

Germany have tall and gifted players on every position, except Lahm. We must have the same.

I mean, we were still good in the air, but we can do definetely better, and we simply need taller for that.


JasonZ
(Germany)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 6:29 AM
0
msi2, Germany and Switzerland hit the post after a corner header. We were not dangerous at set pieces and corners in the ko-games! only against unexperienced teams like nigeria. we always score on dead balls against nigeria by the way, 1994, 2002, 2010, 2014.

It didn't cost us this time, but this disadvantage in the air is something we have ro eliminate. Look at Chile against Holland and Brazil, they were simply smaller.

And how can we know if a striker is efficient in a world cup final? You can strike 2 goals in every game in a league but miss in the world cup final. Ask Robben after 2010 final. Not possible to train that.


Chainsaw
(Iran)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 6:23 AM
1
You don't insert tall players to the team just for the sake of it. Argentina is by no means a short team either. With Icardi, Fazio, Lamela and Musacchio possibly added to the team the average height of the team will be even higher as well.


msi2
(France)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 6:13 AM
2
JasonZ> No, not really... We need more efficient players in front of the goal. We lost the final not because of short players but because of inefficiency.


JasonZ
(Germany)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 5:49 AM
0
we need taller players. too many players below even 1,80 m. we need some giants like Germany, only Garay and Romero are above 1,90 m.

Are there really no tall and good players in Argentina? I mean, you can be huge AND technically gifted.


Chainsaw
(Iran)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 5:24 AM
0
I agree about the mouth watering part though. I had it after the team was eliminated in 2002.


Chainsaw
(Iran)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 5:22 AM
0
Argh!


Aimar
(India)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 5:11 AM
0
Bring Back Bielsa and the mouth watering 3-3-1-3 :P


Chainsaw
(Iran)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 4:55 AM
1
Well said Deb. Sabella has his ups and downs but he's not irreplaceable. What I liked about him beside his coaching skills was his calmness at the touchline which was transmitted to the players. That I believe played a big part in our progress to the final. Totally the opposite of someone like Bielsa.


Deb
(India)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 4:34 AM
1
I have mixed feelings on this news.

On one hand, here was the person who almost made 'not losing a match' an art for Argentina with his terrific defence management and consistency in team selection. I think we lost just 3 matches under Sabella in over 3 years. Brilliant achievement. Argentina defence looked so smooth and confident in the world cup, unbelievable. There was no dirty tactics, park the bus or overloaded defenders involved. Just plain and simple team effort and resilience, and we were just 7 minutes away from a possible world cup win. Hats off, Alejandro Sabella.

On the other hand, as I have been reading and researching about our possible 2018 candidates after the world cup final, I can clearly see a golden generation of young talents coming up in Argentina football. Players who can lit up the Russia world cup with their individual skills. We now need a coach who will give them opportunities to prove themselves. Is Sabella that kind of a coach? I doubt. We may again be able to build a solid team under his coaching, but we may also ignore a few bright young talents in the process. Do we want that? No.

Icardi, Lamela, Correa, Pastore, Iturbe, Paredes, Cirigliano, Musacchio, Peruzzi, Fazio, Rulli and so many others. They ALL need a chance or two each.


Caniggia
(Hong Kong)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 3:53 AM
1
Well, if they go for pekerman I can only see it for the purpose to develop the guys who are in their 20's-24's so they peak by the next WC.


Richard
(Netherlands)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 3:52 AM
1
@arg2014
Best coach since Bilardo?
Aren't you forgetting Basile's first stint in the early nineties? Under his direction we won two Copa America's and the Confed cup.



asjbest
(Indonesia)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 3:48 AM
0
With pekerman we will have a great style of football. Sabella has to go, our journey to final wc was surrounded by lucky.


Caniggia
(Hong Kong)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 3:45 AM
1
If it's true, is very bad news. I really wish Sabella can have 2 more years, then pass over to Simeone.


niklucky02
(India)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 3:26 AM
1
Well there goes my hope for next Copa and WC 2018.


Good thing about Pekerman is you have guaranteed QF spot with plenty of possession and one dead ball situation... damn goes the Cup.

I will support anyhow be it Pekerman or Bielsa. Vamos Argentina! Respect to Sabella.



baker
(India)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 3:00 AM
1
Pekerman passing game is pretty to watch but how we're going to deal with Dunga's Brazil again? they'll kick our players after 2-3 passes.


Dinucci
(Argentina)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 2:33 AM
1
It would suck to see sabella leave. Pekerman could be a great fit but i really hope he stays


arg2014
(Canada)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 2:30 AM
3
I haven't seen a coach who didn't sit for one minute in all 7 matches as Sabella. I haven't seen him drinking water, chewing gum, etc.... He was by the sideline giving instruction for every pass and even when the players are doing great, he was still harsh on them and yell at them just in case they slip. He was the type of coach I admire in world cup games. In the knock out stages, he made Argentina look very dangerous. After I saw his game in the round of 16, I told everyone I knew, Argentina is in the final. Believe me, Germany was soooo nervous facing Sabella`s team, it was our attackers who failed to convert. Sabella`s plan for the Germans was a piece of art that can be taught in coaching academies. Germany usually come to the game to score an early goal and then just hit on counter and make the opponent frustrated while they sit back and keep cool, but Sabella smothered them by using their own game while giving them all possession so our players can watch and focus on their passes precisely. I have seen only Bilardo come up with same tactic.

Sabella is a genius tactically.....Trust me folks.


baker
(India)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 2:25 AM
0
i agree with @arg2014 and @Kid:


guled
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 2:18 AM
0
Kid: why guardiola that 180 from sabella , didn't you saw what happened to bayern, bayern of jupp heynkces would never have lost to madrid, guardiola was lucky with barca they had messi who was at the top of his game and the other players were also at their peak, I can't stand the silly back passes with out penetration, even when he was player I disliked him, he was good for nothing, only stupid back passes, guardiola and xavi style of football annoys me


guled
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 2:09 AM
0
If it is true thanks mr sabella for finally putting argentina were it belongs, we were unlucky and that is not your fault you did your job remarkably well, you fixed the defense wich was always argentina's downfall, now the new coach should continuo what sabella built, pekerman is good but defense is not his specialty and tata doesn't impress me, he is not as tactical as sabella and he is terrible when it comes to motivating the players, simoene is our hope


Toby
(United Kingdom)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 1:56 AM
0
What a shame.

Gracias por los recuerdos, Pachorra x


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 1:55 AM
0
Great post..


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 1:52 AM
0
development*


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 1:51 AM
1
This would be bad news if Sabella leaves..Really a backward step for the AFA..

I can assure you guys, no Sabella = No Copa America

I respect Tata Martino and all but if Sabella leaves I'm taking a break from Argentina football..This country does not know how to build on positive results..

Bunch of JOKERS running Argentina football..The local league is in shambles with no money..Argentina league use to be one of the best leagues outside of Europe but not anymore..Rubbish stadiums and rubbish playing surface all around the country..Our young talented players have to leave Argentina in order to play in world class Arenas..WHAT A JOKE THE AFA HAS BECOME..

Spain, Germany, Holland are all pumping resources in their football develop unlike Argentina who is waiting for 1986 to repeat itself all over again..When they finally had a good project going on they're about to dismantle it..Italian football is as bad as Argentina at the moment, I don't know why Argentinean bother to play in Serie A these days..

I would take only one option over Sabella and that would be Pep Guardiola..

Pekerman is a no for me

Tata Martino, maybe

Everyone else in Argentina will only take the team backwards..



arg2014
(Canada)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 1:34 AM
3
sabella was the best coach we've had since Carlos Bilardo. He made the defense like The Egyptian Pyramids in a short time. We "the fans" need to know the reason behind his resignation. I wasn't completely sold first with Sabella, but his tactics against tough teams proved that he's the master of defense. Switzerland came to make an upset this world cup against the favorites, so did Belgium with their golden generation and young stars. Netherlands was the strongest team in this whole tournament and the most dangerous attacking power. Sabella ended their dreams all only by his defense and goalkeeping. The German machine was almost sent for repair unless the enormous luck they had that final day + one day rest+ their semi final game was a joke+ European referee.

Sabella took Argentina all the way to the final and almost win it....so yes it was a big deal for a coach took on the team for just 2 1/2 years and dealing with players who play all over the map, unlike Germany-Bayern academy under a coach who's been with them for ages.


xtreme
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 1:28 AM
1
Damn, not a good news, just hope he would reconsider.


ROY
(India)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 1:24 AM
1
If Pekerman is motivated and fit...He can be given a second chance...


baker
(India)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 1:18 AM
0
If sabella is not there , i will opt for pekerman

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