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Posted by Roy Nemer (Roy Nemer) Monday, July 28, 2014 Go To Comments

Rumors of Jose PEKERMAN for Argentina

Rumors emerging in the media in Argentina is that of Jose PEKERMAN. PEKERMAN, who is no longer coaching the Colombian National Team, is being linked to the Argentina job.

While Alejandro SABELLA hasn't announced if he will be staying on as coach of Argentina, the PEKERMAN rumors have emerged. The problem with those rumors are that PEKERMAN doesn't really like GRONDONA and the feeling in the past has been that hell will freeze over before PEKERMAN ever works for GRONDONA again.




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KMFORARG
(India)
Posted on 7/30/2014 at 10:44 AM
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I think ideally i would have liked sabella to stay till the next WC but i don't think its easy for him to take up that responsibilty for such a long time because of the pressure of being a an Argentine Coach also not being the Crowd favorite ...But any day i would choose Pekerman over Martino because what i have seen of Barca is very poor not at all using the talent at all.He doesn't respond to match situations not throwing any surprises not able to inspire them.He dosen't implement any idea of his just let them play the game didn't read the games even he doesn't substitute players weel enough to influenze the games.... Pekerman yes he has done some blunders but lets hope he gets it right this time... He will definitely go for some more creative or attacking minded players so that the likes o messi,,Augero and Dimaria can exel.I thought they all played isolated games during this WC because they we not able to link with the Mid field,Fernando Gago was poor.I know injuries to all of them leading to the WC and during the WC shut down the Chances of an attacking Game.But we should not let that happen next time If some one is injured have a game plan that we still can attack and score goals.... But aim should be to win that and not want anything less than that..........


KMFORARG
(India)
Posted on 7/30/2014 at 10:22 AM
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Its time to focus on future to the copa america first then to the WC 2018 because we have to win atleast a copa america to win something in the last 20 years....For that we have bring some fresh legs and retain some of the core team like messi,Augero,Dimaria,Mascheranao,Garay,Biglia,Perez,Zambeleta,Lavezzi at least till the copa america and bring some attacking minded players and try and find a playmaker to control the mid field and stick with them ....


Adeel
(United Kingdom)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 12:49 PM
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Sabella biggest mistake was the exclusion of tevez, banega , fazio and Gaitan. He should have selected these players rather than those who just sit watch the games like us ...


yo
(Malaysia)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 4:06 AM
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tq mr sabella. we r reach to final. welcome home mr pekerman. i love to see such a beautiful football again.


arg2014
(Canada)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 1:45 AM
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@vish: very well said, thank you for the post.


gabo
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 1:15 AM
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"and why would ARG let Sabella go after achieving what they haven't in 24years?"

because they can't always count on a magical draw! rather, they can't always avoid Germany before the final!


vish
(India)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 12:55 AM
1
Sabella did his best. It is not his mistake if 3 players could not score from a one on one chance. In fact Hig had 2 great chances. I think it is a mental block against Germany, they simply got overawed by their Bastard goalkeeper. A coach cannot plan for this, it is not luck going against us, it"s a mental block. The only answer for this is a mind coach. I am a doctor and i know it. See what Mike Horn achieved with Germany. Probably it gives you 1% extra, but when it is 50-50 1% will give the edge. We are living in a modern world and we have to make use of all winning formulae. India won a world cup after many years in cricket with the same Mr. Horn. Why should we not use such powerful tools?


albiceleste
(United States)
Posted on 7/29/2014 at 12:22 AM
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I want Sabella



guled
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 9:33 PM
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Notoraj: don't believe in what you read in the papers, messi has paid back every thing, what the coronies in Spain want is not the money but rather to damage messi image, and it is not just normal taxes but rather money from his image right, even from another country they want a peice of it, when this started messi was teenager, even adults can't understand tax issue and get confused how do you expect a teenager to understand with a lot money, his father runs his money and messi plays football , even the prosecutor suggested the charges to be dropped but the judge is still insisting, I mean how can you prosecute any one when even the prosecutor doesn't believe in the trail it doesn't make sense, also this will return a round October and November time when the ballon d'or voting will happen, so do you think this is coincidence


guled
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 9:19 PM
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Definition of luck is when the opponent gets easy chances and doesn't convert(chances even grand ma can score) Germany were lucky jasonz deal with it


JasonZ
(Germany)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 9:04 PM
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guled, they were not lucky! What is your definition of luck?


Notoraj
(Finland)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 9:02 PM
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What's wrong with this Jorge Messi? Or Messi? How much money they need? That tax fraud thing is not nice!!!


guled
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 9:00 PM
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jasonz: cut the bs man , Germany were lucky against Algeria,ghana and argentina


JasonZ
(Germany)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 8:50 PM
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Actually, Germany, as much as i hate them, didn't have any luck this time. A tough draw, except Algeria, and the refs didn't really favoured themand they missed key players in the tournament and even more so in the final.

Luck is referee, draw, and injuries. Germany didn't have luck in any of these departments.

It is not luck if you miss a 100% chance, it is called inability (by the way, i am not blaming anyone).

and if there would be gods of football they would prevent Germany wo win this and every other wc after the 1990 robbery.


guled
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 8:46 PM
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Let us hope it is 2018 in cold Russia and we get our revenge v Germany(Germany were defeated in Russia in world war 2) but first let us hope a good coach is appointed that is the most important thing for success


Chainsaw
(Iran)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 8:41 PM
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I think the Gods of Football wanted to reward them at last after reaching the last 4 for 4 consecutive WCs. Donno when's the time for Argentina comes.


Sol
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 8:39 PM
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Pekerman could have helped Argentina if he had stayed on after his 2006 WC. He is now in his mid 60s. I just don't see it.


guled
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 8:37 PM
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Every winning team had a luck, Germany were lucky against Algeria and Ghana , they should have been 3 goals down in the first have v Algeria but were lucky


guled
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 8:36 PM
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Well it looks like the old man won't continue , the buzz is he already informed grondona, tata is next I guess


Chainsaw
(Iran)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 8:34 PM
1
The 2014 team had more luck than any of the previous teams bar 2010's. Too bad our luck hit the dead end right at the final.


guled
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 8:26 PM
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Chainsaw: we always had technical players upfront, but we lacked good defense, when for the first time we fixed the defense and we all saw the result only badluck stood in our way we were better then Germany in the 90 minutes and had the better chances, good defense is the basis of success in the modern game


Dfox
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 8:17 PM
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I was talking to a Brazilian earlier today when the Pekerman story broke and he said, why would Pekerman leave the job security in Colombia to come to Argentina where he will be expected to win Copa and will most likely be fired if he fails?

and why would ARG let Sabella go after achieving what they haven't in 24years?



Chainsaw
(Iran)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 8:15 PM
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Well, the defense didn't win us anything guled. Saying a certain department wins you something is just a myth. Everything from the players to the coach, from the ref and luck need to play in your favor in order to win.


guled
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 8:12 PM
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defense is what will win us a cup, we almost did win it this year, we were flair team for so may years and we did,t win any thing, defense is what wins championships


gabo
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 8:05 PM
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Sabella's record against big European teams?!! he has played only two games against big European teams and got a draw (won in PKs) and a lost. Why is that impressive? If anything, I have learned from Germany that Friendlies mean nothing!

Pekerman may not ideal for the job, he may not win the world cup, he may not make good use of subs, etc. but he has not lost to Germany! To me, he came much closer to winning the world cup than Sabella. He needed ten more minutes to win against Germans in regular time (and I really believe we could go all the way if we won that match) in a game that was dominated by Argentina, and Sabella needed 10 more minutes to take it to a PKs against the Germans! Defensive discipline will be a problem, but honestly, I'd rather see us attack and win nothing than defend and win nothing!



guled
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 8:04 PM
1
sabella is taking his time, also pekerman left zanetti out of the 2006 team, a lot of people forget about that


Dfox
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 7:52 PM
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Is Sabella ever going to make up his mind?


Dfox
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 7:45 PM
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Fazio


Chainsaw
(Iran)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 7:45 PM
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I agree. I am asking myself the same question, because when I look back I see that the 2006 never had any easy match from the start. But the 2014 team could literally walk to the QFs with not much difficulties.


JasonZ
(Germany)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 7:34 PM
2
Oh, and another thing: Why are oru players so small? No, this is no joke, and i don't mean Messi. Just two over 1,90m. Garay and Romero.

This gives us disadvantages in the air and in dead ball situations against giants like Germany. Germany have only one player 1,80m, damn Götze, all other are above.

We scored three goals from dead balls, but all against weaker and unexperienced teams in the group stage, like 2010.

We didn't score from corner/freekick in the ko-games.
Ok, we also dein't concede dead ball goals, but Swiss and Germany hit the post after a corner header. Simply because they are higher.

Look at Chile, they can play as good they want, they are simply too small, and against Holland and Brazil it costs them.

We need higher players, damn.


JasonZ
(Germany)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 7:27 PM
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Well, we actually did underachieve in the post Maradona era, but maybe we also overestimate our players sometimes. But i agree that Argentina's goal should be always the first place, not just reaching the final.

I often ask myself what would be if the 2006 team would have the draw like we had in 2014. And if we would face Germany in the semis, when the referees stop to favour the host. Damn, i really feel sorry for the 2006 team, they wanted to win so badly, i still can feel this desire to win.





guled
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 7:26 PM
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Why would sabella want be assistant when he is already the coach that is crazy suggestion, players even grondona are asking sabella to continue but he is not sure if he has any thing left in the tank, it is rumor but I am hearing sabella will only commit to 2015 copa, and grondona wants till 2018 we will see but there is a reason why this dragged so far


Chainsaw
(Iran)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 7:26 PM
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I simply disagree with you on this underachiever thing JasonZ. Argentina had to wait 24 years to make the final 4 in the WCs. That's simply horrendous for a nation like Argentina. The 2002 team was sick! Look at all those personalities in that team, and yet look back and see what they've achieved. The 2006, and the 1998 teams were also full of stars. The problem was perhaps the fact that many times we failed to see all these individuals work as a team. I think in this particular case Sabella did a very good job.


Dfox
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 7:21 PM
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To the contrary, I believe ARGENTINA overachieved under the circumstances.

KUn and Higuain did Nothing, DiMaria could have played better and so did Messi BUT the defense that NOBODY counted on came up HUGH, seismic I should say and Romero, a bench warmer at his club allowing 3 goals, equal to that Cocksucker's Neur plus that friggin Gotze goal.

Reaching the final while running on 6 cylinders instead of 12, yes they overachieved


JasonZ
(Germany)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 7:15 PM
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no, i don't think Argenina are underachievers. We think sometimes we are better than we are in reality. Sabella said it by the way.

We also had bad luck in the past, like 2006, so in some cases the team was prevented to achieve bigger stuff than it did.

In 1978 we were not the best team and won, in 1986 i think France and Brazil and Sowjetunion underachieved (Sowjetunion was cheated), and we won.

Holland never won the WC, and they had the quality at times, so they underachived many times.

What about Mexico? Yes, Mexico. Especially the last two world cups, especially 2014. They are very strong, but underachieved. Mainly because they were cheated, by the way.

Italy is the example of an overachiever, also Uruguay. Germany also, though not this time.

We had/have the best player, but there was never the case that we had the absolute best team. So the two times we won the world cup is still a huge achievement and this legacy lasts forever.

And again, every coach does mistakes. For me, Sabella was the best coach of the 2014 world cup.


Alkan
(Argentina)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 7:07 PM
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I hear Sabella prefers being an assistant coach than the main man. How about Pekerman becomes the coach, with Sabella as assistant coach?


Chainsaw
(Iran)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 7:03 PM
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My comment about the biggest underachiever is for the past 20 years. I forgot to mention it in my post, now I see it. I meant for the post Maradona era.


Chainsaw
(Iran)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 6:58 PM
1
Argentina didn't win as much, Argentina won nothing!

How does Holland fit in there?! They've reached the semi final 3 times and the final 1 time in the past 20 years. And you can't really compare England and Portugal's squads to Argentina. They only lift a big name, and in England's case the huge media's propaganda behind their team. No sane person take them seriously really. Argentina on the other hand has the best player in the world. Some of the best players in the world who were stars in their respective clubs. And yet we had to wait for 24 years to get past the quarter finals of the World Cup. There is no achievement in this for a nation who was never short of talents in the post Maradona era. The Atalanta 96 Olympics team was full of talents, we had to win something with those bunch at least once.


ghostdeini
(Albania)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 6:46 PM
2
how about Pekerman as President of the AFA, and he hires a young modern coach.
...but I could live with him as a coach because we may never win a World Cup under any coach because to much wrong with AFA to make me believe that we win under any coach, at least he would play beautiful football and lose, not like Sabella terrible football and lose.



guled
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 6:33 PM
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Argentina is not the biggest underachieving side, but because of the players we had over the years(three players of the top 5 best ever) we didn't win as much, we could have won two more cups but bad coaches(2010) and luck(2014) prevented us from winning


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 6:25 PM
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''Argentina is the biggest underachiever among the big names in the world of football''

Sorry, Holland, England and Portugal fit this role not Argentina..


Pino
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 6:23 PM
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Sabella and Pekerman made mistakes.

But you live and learn.

I think both Sabella and Pekerman will do better in their second term as the coach of the NT.

Tata is another good candidate.

Any of the three I'm ok with.


Chainsaw
(Iran)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 6:16 PM
1
JasonZ, I am not advocating the beautiful football here. Only analyzing the different teams and, that because we reached the final in 2014 doesn't means this team and the coach is the best out there. Argentina is the biggest underachiever among the big names in the world of football. Just because we couldn't get past the QFs in the past 24 years up untill now doesn't mean Sabella's Argentina overachieved by reaching the final and we should blow the horns on it till get choked on it! Reaching the final should not be the ultimate goal for Argentina, but winning the damn thing. Sabella despite all the good things he did with the NT also made a lot of mistakes. Some are just neglecting it because his Argentina broke the 24 years hoodoo of not getting past the QF and reaching the final. Reaching the final after all these years is a good sign to look forward to, but not something we should be overjoyed about. Actually the way we threw the title away in the final is sad equally to the joy we've found by reaching the final.


Pino
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 5:48 PM
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I'm ok with Sabella, Pekerman, or Tata.

At least we have some good candidates.

Simeone is not leaving AM.



JasonZ
(Germany)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 5:45 PM
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Sabella 2015 - 2018,
yes, Messi scored from half chances, but he also missed from half chances before the final! You can't expect him to score from half chances everytime!

And no one of us knows what Higuain thought at that moment. This is not possible to simulate or imagine.

In 1978 Rensenbrink hit the inside of the post in the last minute of the second half, and then we won. Why did he miss 2 inches? No one knows, but thank god he missed. So why did Higuain miss? Simply happened.

And half of the players who are considered world class are really not, they are very good, but world class is a big world. Rooney? Even the English will now admit that he is never world class.


Pino
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 5:44 PM
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Sabella

Do you want to coach the Argentinian National Team?

Yes or No?

What's the holdup?

This is one of the best jobs in the world.

LOL!

What do you have to think about?



msi2
(France)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 5:43 PM
0
hmm... I have the sensation that Pekerman's name is being brought up because i suspect some AFA dirigeants were probably looking at the youth development and they suddenly got scared. Last years were really poor in terms youth NT results but the bigger issue is coming from the clubs. Very poor job is being done in most clubs in this area.

Unlike on this board where many tend to think we have a great future, the climate is much more pessimistic for the future, in Argentina. Really... Many arent that convinced we have that many talents coming up and i guess with Pekerman, they are trying somehow to bring back the magical potion.


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 5:43 PM
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kid: sabella record vs european teams means nothing as the end result is we won nothing, nil, narda,zero sadly and seballas Argentina can be added to the list of non winners of the w/c.
we got to a final just like 1990 but at the end of the day won nothing-we failed.


JasonZ
(Germany)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 5:37 PM
0
Chainsaw,
well, sometimes a team can play not good and below its possibilities and still have a very good coach.

Of course we had our high and flaws, of course Sabella made mistakes. But tell me a team and coach that didn't meke mistakes?

Germany? Löw is never a great coach. Of course, now that he is the winner, people say how great he is, how he is able to lead the team and blah blah.

Löw even admitted that all the years before he didn't train dead ball situations! From 2006 WC till Euro 2012, four tournaments in a row! That is not even coaching!

He simply had great players and great bench. Half of them play at Bayern Munich, so know each other blindly.

It's not Sabells's fault we didn't use our chances in the final, where we played our best game of the world cup as a team. It just should not be.



KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 5:37 PM
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Colombia defense against Brazil in the first half was absolutely horrendous...


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 5:35 PM
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JasonZ: The goals against Bosnia and Iran were both half chances which only Messi cam make look like a straight forward chance..

If Higgy is not world class then what does that say about Rooney, Cavani, Costa, Giroud, Torres etc..None of these guys had a better world cup than Higuain by the way and Higgy was not 100% fit.

Higuain wanted to score the same way he did against Belgium..He was going for the spectacular..If you notice he tried a one time shot on goal which was not necessary because he had time to control the ball, turn, then shoot..

For some reason the goals were just not going in for us at the world cup..


guled
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 5:32 PM
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Pekerman is good manager but I am not sure if he will continuo what sabella built at this World Cup, the team sabella built is good enough to win the copa, then some of the youth players can be incorporated to the team for 2018, but now this team is capable to win the copa


DD
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 5:29 PM
0
We all want to see results. The way Pekerman's Colombia played against a substandard Brazilian side really scares me. He should have done a lot better. Also my mind goes back to the 2006 Quarter Final against Germany.
While there might be an outside chance that he learns from his past mistakes, this will be a gamble for me!


JasonZ
(Germany)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 5:27 PM
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Sabella 2015 - 2018,
Messi didn't have 100% chances in the final, he had halfchances. You usually don't score them, even if you are Messi.

We had 100% chances, the Higuain and Palacio. I believe to score in an world final against a team like this german team, when the score is 0:0, you need to be an absolute world class player, and know that you are an absolute world class player, even if it seems that the chances are easy.

Palacio is not world class, and Higuain is very good, but probably also not absolute world class. And even if, he still can miss. Remember Robben in 2010 against Spain, and that was a 1000%.

But we didn't have other players, and the ones that played gave their best.

Some oeople blame Higuain, and i think he also blames himself, but you simply can't simulate and train situations like that. No training session can give you the feeling you have when you are in world cup final.



KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 5:27 PM
0
Can someone answer this question, when was the last time an Argentinean team defeat 4 European teams at the world cup? Sabella is a genius, best Argentina coach in almost 3 decades..


Chainsaw
(Iran)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 5:20 PM
1
Kid, I don't get you either. What is it with you and Sabella? You act like every good thing that happened in this WC was because of him and he's the only capable one coaching Argentina. It seems that to you only the results matter and we should just ignore the flaws because we went to the final?! Would you defend him like this if Swiss was going to score that last chance and then beat Argentina in the penalty shoot outs? This is not a pissing contest. We are just analyzing the teams and coaches here, with all the good and wrong things they did. Although in your book there is no flaw in Sabella merely because his team went to the final while the others didn't? Should we just be happy about this and drool about evetrything we've achieved with Sabella? I don't think so.


Dfox
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 5:19 PM
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Adidas offered to pay Messi a 150million just to go to one of their sponsored clubs, so that was just a 100mil off for him.

I want Sabella to stay BUT if he should LEAVE and Pekerman is around, Hell yes we WANT HIM.


msi2
(France)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 5:16 PM
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Yeah i agree completely with Chainsaw.


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 5:13 PM
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JasonZ: I know, Messi goal against Iran and Bosnia were both tougher than the one he got against Germany yet he failed to score..It was just not meant to be.

Chalz: Don't know man, Pep wanted Messi at Bayern but no way on earth was Bayern going to fork out 250 mil for Messi at the time..

I"m always a fan of Martino..I feel Barcelona betrayed him by not buying the players he requested..Russo? I'll pass..

Mascherano and the defenders did their part..It was our lack of scoring goals that let us down..Injury or out of form, their is no way on earth Higgy should have not at least make Neuer made a save from the Hummels back pass, same goes for Palacio..Higuain failed to score a second goal against Belgium was also poor and Messi one v one miss against Courtois summed up Argentina attack at the world cup for me..The attack was just not clicking for some reason..


rey
(United Kingdom)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 4:59 PM
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I think Sabella is tactically better than Pekerman. I would love to have Sabella staying... Simple fact is that Argentina played well in the qualifiers and so close to the be the champions. Look the German team that won it now has had the same coach from four years ago.. We need to stick with a coach for a decent amount of time.


Chalz
(Oman)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 4:42 PM
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Kid, i have a feeling that Sabella just like Guardiola thinks that Messi interferes too much into his business???? Maybe so.... I dont know .... Just a feeling.
.
Sabella is a honourable man and leaves with honour (If he leaves)
.
Kid, what If Russo or Martino take over???..... They may bring in theorie own ideas and not necessarily follow Sabellaz work..... Remember Pekerman left with a good system in place but it was trashed after Basile left.
.
Messi wanted more Mascherano z on the team but unfortunately v had Just one and few others....


JasonZ
(Germany)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 4:36 PM
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Sabella 2015 - 2018,

yeah, thats what i say, and other people also! Sabella did a great job from start to finish, and the team pulled out the maximum or its capabilities!

i agree whith every word in your post, the only thing that matters is winning.

but why do you whink we want to see Argentina play pretty football? No one said that. Believe me, for me personally, i only care about the result, and Sabella and Argentina delivered. The final win just shouldn't be. Actually i enjoyed every game Argentina played.


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 4:25 PM
2
I never get football supporters here..Its seems like you guys wanted Sabella to play Harlem globetrotters style football at the world cup. If you wanted to see pretty fancy football then go to the beach or circus..

All this talk about how we played poor in the group stage is pure baloney..Sabellla only adjusted the team after he saw what happen to the defending champions in the opening game of their group game..Sabella was just being cautious not taking anything for granted after witnessing Spain humiliation by the hands of the Netherlands.

Yes, Romero ''saved us against Iran'', the last time I check a goalkeeper is apart of a football team..How many times did Neuer saved Germany against Algeria and Ghana? You guys don't talk about that because Germany won the world cup...Guys this happen, nobody cares what happen during the world cup as long as they win the whole thing..We wouldn't be saying all these stuff if Argentina had won the world cup which we had the chance to do so..

Comparing Perkeman to Sabella at this year world cup during the group stage is not a worthy one..Firstly; Greece, Ivory Coast and Japan did not see Colombia as superior to them, so they took the game to Colombia..You guys thing Greece, CIV and Japan would played the same attacking tactics against Argentina? Nope, I doubt it..

2002: Brazil had an easy path to the final and they had a controversial win over Turkey in the semis..Do you hear anyone talking about how Brazil got to the final? Nope, you only hear two words and that's ''world champions''

2006: Italy tied with USA in the group stage..During the 2nd round Italy got a controversial 1 - 0 win over Australia..Do you hear anyone talking about these results? Nope, you only hear two words and that's ''world champions''

2010: Spain lost to Switzerland,barely defeat Chile 2 - 1 all in the group stage..Mind you Spain won all their second round games by a 1 goal margin and barely scraping by Paraguay in the quarterfinals..Do we hear anyone talking about Spain defeat to Switzerland in the first game? Nope..Only two words, ''world champions..''

You guys are acting as if Bosnia, Nigeria and Iran were just some peasant teams that did not deserved to be at the world cup..The last time I check this is 2014 and not the 1970's/80's..Small teams are more evolve now because they have 8 - 10 players playing in competitive leagues across Europe..We did not get a ''lucky'' draw by any means, it just look like that on paper before the world cup..What, you wanted Argentina to play against Italy, England and Portugal? Oh wait, they all went out in the group stage by the hands of the mighty Costa Rican and USMNT..

Argentina was just not meant to win the world cup..End of the story..We can if, if all we want but it won't change a thing..Sabella did a great job and as I said before, IF THEY LET SABELLA GO BEFORE 2018 I'M DONE WITH THIS TEAM..Perkeman is overrated!!!!


JasonZ
(Germany)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 4:21 PM
0
Chainsaw,

i agree that Sabella maybe didn't have many ideas about the attacking department, but if you have players like Messi and Di Maria, why not just rely on their brilliance?

I actually always believed that we would score against Switzerland, even in the 117Th minute when it was 0:0. I think you can repeat this game 10 times and we would win ten times, and always 1:0.

I mean, we are not a team like Germany that have really a lot of options how to create opportunities to score. So we concentrated on defense and wated till a brilliant moment from Messi or Di Maria comes.

Maybe we didn't have a plan B for the case if Messi could;t score or he and Di Maria got injured. But i repeat, we are not Germany, we simply lack players that you need for a plan B. And Sabella knew it.

I think if we would have tried to play a more attacking game and the whole team would be more offensive, well, the 2010 disaster would have repeat itself. And Sabella's tactics were proven right, the results prove it.



Chalz
(Oman)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 4:19 PM
0
Pekerman - v would love to have him back, to guide Argentina to 2018 world cup.
.
But Grondona does not like Jews. Bilardo feels Pekerman & Tocalli havent accomplished anything.
.
But still i pray that there be a miracle and Pekerman returns to senior NT.
.
Sabella should move ahead to replace Bilardo.
.
Tevez should be a no-no at any cost.
.
Plan for 2018 rather keeping big names?????. ....
.
Mascherano is the best player any coach would love.... If v can have the same Mascherano it would be lovely otherwise v need to brood a DM asap.
.
Given the age factor and form and fitness issues.... I feel Higuain, Aguero, Palacio, Gago, Campagnaro, and few others should leave for the betterment of the team.


JasonZ
(Germany)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 3:56 PM
0
ddr1123,
but that corner goal Brazil scored against Colombia worries me!

This was such a stupid goal, how could Silva be unmarked, and there was not even a Colombian standing on the post at the goal, and that is a must at corners!

I can't believe didn't train that, really. In 2006 we conceded one dead ball against goals, but scored three (four, if the ayala goal would not be disallowed). So i am sure Pekerman trains dead ball situatuations a lot.

Colombia also had very interesting corner kick variotians against Uruguay, which i didn't see from other teams. For some reasons, however, the ref whistled them off.

So i hope that first goal against Brazil was not because Pekerman dodn't train that. I am sure he knew how good Brazil are at dead ball situations, thats how they scored against Chile. Because we need a coach who understands how important dead ball moments are in the ko-games.



Chainsaw
(Iran)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 3:51 PM
0
No I don't think it was all planned as you say JasonZ. Maybe saving energy was an option for Sabella at the group stage, but looking at the matches Argentina didn't look any dominant about what they plan to do. Against Bosnia Sabella went with the strange 5 men in the back where the team played a really awful first half and Sabella had to make two changes at the break to get things better. Against Iran which is one the weakest teams in the tournament the defence were caught on several counter attacks and were lucky not to concede thx to the Romero's saves and the penalty that was not given. Against Nigeria the team didn't look very convincing either. Against Swiss the team didn't make many chances and had to wait until the 118 minute to score the winner. If you say these subpar performances were planned I think Sabella didn't need to make several changes in the first team to make the gameplay better. From what we saw from Sabella's team it didn't look like that he had many ideas about the attacking department, but mostly relying on the individual brilliance of certain stars in the team. And unlike the 2006 and 1998 we had luck on our side on several occasions. Imagine if we had the same luck in 2006 and 1998. We could surely go further in those WCs.


JasonZ
(Germany)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 3:49 PM
1
ddr1123,
i agree that Sabella was really able to play according to the opponent and he was right in all seven games.

But i don't think Pekerman doesn't play according to the opponent.

It is just that in that Brazil game Colombia received that early retarded corner goal, and then Brazil was allowed to kick and foul without punishment and disrupt Colombia's game.

So Pekerman's gameplan was probably distroyed and then he had to adjust to the fact that the ref will allow Brazil to foul without punishment.

We never faced a situation like that. We were never behind till that Götze goal and the referees were ok in our games.


Dfox
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 3:36 PM
1
Pekerman is a more capable manager than Sabella and it showed in the ridiculous short amount of time it took him he to turn around the Colombians when they seemed dead in the water.

He went into the WC without his best player and should have beaten the Brazilians if it wasn't for the total mishandling of that game by the REF. and the straight up thuggery by the Brazilians.

Sabella went into the WC with two of his best offensive players as good as the water boy and had to do it with smoke and mirrors!

Pekerman should easily be able to get the best out of Messi, Kun, DiMaria.....and whoever else he brings into the team


ddr1123
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 3:28 PM
1
@jasonZ
Completely agree with your posts. This is the first time in many many years Argentina played tactically well. Played with the brain and not just emotionally. I do not think we struggled too much. We played good percentage football. Which is needed if you need to play 7 games in less than 30 days.

BTW, I do agree Argentina under Pekerman was unlucky. What worries me more about Pekerman is his game against Brazil this year. This is the worst Brazil I have seen, but I am not sure he was totally sure how he wanted to play. In my mind here is the main difference - Sabella plays according to the opponent whereas Pekerman plays the way he wants his team to play. Sabella might just be effective.


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 3:28 PM
1
JasonZ: we struggled in the 1st 3 games were awful and if not for rom we should have lost vs iran and add to it the luck vs the swiss when the ball hits the post and some how rolls wide, mash incredible tackle when odds on robbin would score and the final were we were happy to give 60% position to the opposition.
I will say how different it could have been if the fab 4 were all fit and also sabella must take a lot of blame for some of the playing personal like taking injured players to the w/c, no back up striker, no creative midfielder and as counter attacking is our game he stopped it and did not replace di maria using defensive midfielder's instead, no attacking plan b and hoping messi can do all the attacking, remember reality is our strikers fed off scraps all w/c as the service was not their for them.




msi2
(France)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 3:21 PM
0
About the Pekerman rumor, it seems getting steam in Argentina. But I think he has yet to confirmed what he wants to do with Colombia first... Staying with them or leaving.



pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 3:20 PM
2
I would have no problem with peckerman back, he is a man of honour and he stood down after 06 despite the afa asking his to stay.
06 was unlucky remember req had run out of steam and the g/k was deliberately injured meaning we lost a sub.
if people want to berate peckerman for 06 subs vs the krauts then sabella must be 100% held to account for 14 as his subs were awful in the semi and final.


JasonZ
(Germany)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 3:19 PM
1
Chainsaw, i would not say that the 2014 team struggled in almost every match. It just looked like that, but i believe this was Sabella's plan to do just what is necessary against inferior teams and save all the energy for the last games.

I remember how desperate our team tried to score against Greece in the last group game in 2010, and i asked myself: Why, why are we playing like this is the semifinal and we are one goal behind. Oy yeah, our coach was Maradona:)

Sabella took advantage of the lucky draw we had, and he did a really great job. I hope in 2018 we will have that luck again, though i would not be surprised if we get the group of death, like so many times in the past.


xtreme
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 3:08 PM
1
I only want these coaches for Argentina going forward, Sabella, simeone, martino, or Pekermen. Please dont let any other foolish manager to ever manage the NT ever again...fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me!!! I don't want to witness another maradona or batista.


Chainsaw
(Iran)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 3:03 PM
0
Well said JasonZ. Argentina had a much tougher road in 2006 from the start and still they didn't look inferior to any opponent. Unlike the 2014 team which despite going to the final they struggle in almost every match, winning by the minimum difference. Not taking everything away from the 2014 team. They have my respect for various reasons. But the Pekerman's team dominated the Germany team at their own soil and despite bad luck only went out because of penalty shoot outs. Argentina still have good talents in all the positions if the coach doesn't neglect them like the way Sabella did with several players. I'm sure with Pekerman as the coach we will see more younger players in the team who could give the team a refreshment.


JasonZ
(Germany)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 2:51 PM
2
ddr1123, in 2006 we had ivory coast and holland in the group stage and mexico (the biggest underachiver in football, a very strong team but very unlucky) in the 1/8. Compare this to 2014! in 2014 we had the luxury to allow ourself to start slowly and peak in the last 3 games, in 2006 we had to give 100% from the start, this can cost alot in the ko-games!

in 2006 we had 3 correct goals disallowed, two of them very important moments: the ayala header against ivory coast when the score was 0:0 and the messi goal against mexico in the end of the second half when the score was 1:1. it was not given and we had to play 30 minutes extra. and against germany every 50/50 decision went germanys way. The Kolse foul on our goalie was not even given, and that was corner! contrary, in 2014 the ref denied iran a 100% penalty against us when the score was 0:0.

i am sure pekerman is not less pragmatic than sabella, but we had too many things going against us. Not Pekerman's fault.




Chainsaw
(Iran)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 2:43 PM
1
Right Dfox. The guy takes himself too seriously!


Gilly
(India)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 2:39 PM
0
For my amigos in India, Argentina's ROAD TO FINAL is being shown NOW on Sony Six HD :)


Dfox
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 2:33 PM
1
Nobody was counting on you to replace Sabella YOU Imbecile


Chalz
(Oman)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 2:31 PM
0
@MSI, that was cool!!


ddr1123
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 2:19 PM
0
@msi thats the best news of the year!!!..LOL!


msi2
(France)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 2:18 PM
2
Humbertito Grondona: "No cuenten conmigo para reemplazar a Sabella"

Humbertito Grondona: " Don't count on me to replace Sabella"

Phew at least one problem less.


Dinucci
(Argentina)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 2:11 PM
0
This would be great but i want sabella to stay


yo
(Malaysia)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 2:01 PM
0
i like this man. gives he the chance to wipe his 2006's fault. NT will play with posesion football....


ddr1123
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 1:59 PM
0
Sabella is more pragmatic than Pekerman. When asked if he (Sabella) minds 1-0, he said I do not mind 1/2 - 0. In any tournament you need to know how not to lose and he knows that. Some facts

1. Sabella's defense was much weaker on paper to Pekerman. Pekerman had Ayala, Heize at top of his form.
2. He had better attack in terms of diversity - Crespo, Saviola, Messi, Tevez.
3. Pekerman had a great #10 and Lucho and Cambiasso.

Overall, I think 2006 was more balanced. Pekerman chickened. I am not sure he has the bravery and steel to win a world cup. His Colombia was better than Brazil this year, still it did not look like he can win it.

I do agree Pekerman had tougher luck compared to Sabella. But if Di maria was fit it would be lot different.

Finally, I do not understand why we think we played beautifully in 2006 as if we were blooming flowers in the pitch. That's only the 6-0 game. All other games were tight. Yes we did play nicely, but to think that we played beautifully and eased all opponents is a stretch.


Trini Pupi
(Trinidad And Tobago)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 1:54 PM
0
For continuity which is believe most of us agree is what Argentina lacks with coaches! especially the better ones.....if for whatever reason Sabella does step down I can't argue if Pekerman takes over.

I respect Sabella's honesty about want to be able to give 100%, the job is super demanding and I think its very proffessional of him to be aware of his limitations. Rather than get burnt out and as a result the results and team suffers and then we are back to square one. I would love if Pekerman worked with youth set up again I would also love that.


Amlan
(Bangladesh)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 1:43 PM
0
# I would want someone as a coach who would motivate players and be the real boss. You can have the best player in the world in your team, but still you are the coach.

# I think Sabella knows this team very well now. He has done amazing work with our defence. If Sabella leaves, the new coach must take that point into consideration.

# I respect Pekerman because he is a man of honor. He works with his heart. He motivates players. He has a great deal of experience. He does not depend on one single super star (Falcao). He is also good with young players.

# If Sabella does wish to continue, then that will also be a great news for me. I think he knows the team very well now. He can now make some experiments with new players, improve midfield and attack. What he has done with defence is really amazing. I would like to see the same amount of improvement with the midfield and attack.


JasonZ
(Germany)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 1:41 PM
1
hope you guay are not angry that i write alot on this threat.

To baker: yes, defense is everything in the ko-games of the world cup. and if you look at spain 2010, italy 2006, Argentina 1990, France 1998 (worst striker performance ever), even Germany 2002, you see that defense is the key to success.

In Germany people say: Offense wins games, defense wins tournaments. This is true.

Our team of 2014 was not only good in defense, but mentally very strong. Five narrow wins with one goal deffirence, then the penalty shootout against holland. Very effective. and we managed to play with saving alot of energy in the first five games, we didn't do more than what was necessary to win. This can be risky and looks ugly sometimes, but this is how a team should play in a world cup.





baker
(India)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 1:09 PM
1
One thing that we learnt from 2014 WC , good defence = great run in major tournament.

who ever the new coach is have to keep up that in mind


Jack!
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 1:00 PM
0
He is going to meet with the Colombian FA in August, he asked for time off for personal issues. Plus, I don't want to get Pekerman'd again,we are 1-0 in the 88th minute of the WC Final in 2018, he will sub out Messi. If he wants to take over the U20s, then fine.


Chainsaw
(Iran)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 12:57 PM
0
Pekerman if changes a few details about his choices would be an immense coach for Argentina. I'm all for bringing him back to the Albiceleste.


JasonZ
(Germany)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 12:50 PM
0
ROY, beautiful football or not doesn't matter. Yes, we played beautiful, but not for the beauty, but because we could play like this and it was the way to win games.

And we had to play 100% from the first game, back then Argentina was in the toughest group. This time we were really lucky with the draw till the semis.

Let's face it, we are not the best team. Sabella said it right after final, by the way. We are one of the top six teams, but then small details decide games in those tough ko-games.

The style of Argentina 2006 and 2014 was totally different, and the best example is the first half of the game against Germany in 2006 (we had 67% possession) compared to the first half of the game against Germany in 2014 (we had less than 40% possession).

But both coaches chose the right tactics, even if we lost both games. Both are great coaches, but Pekerman had really all bad luck, thats a fact.


ROY
(India)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 12:31 PM
1
2006 Argentine Team played the most beautiful football in recent times...I understand Pekerman made a mistake and also it was bad luck for Argentina against Germany..
Pekerman Deserves one more chance...


Dfox
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 12:15 PM
0
in a ridiculous amount of time


Dfox
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 12:15 PM
1
Pekerman turned a Colombian team of Honda S2000 into a Ferrari F40


Gilly
(India)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 12:13 PM
1
Welcome JasonZ !!!!

I must admit , however I love Sabella, I will be over the moon if Pekerman takes up the Argentina job !!!

Super excited !!!


JasonZ
(Germany)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 12:11 PM
2
First post after four years, but always followed this blog.

people are angry at Pekerman for his substitutes in 2006, but don't forget our first goalie was injured in that game and that killed one substitution.

and even if he did a mistake, he is still an amazing coach. We had really bad luck in 2006, with the draw, disallowed goals, and the biased slovakian referee against germany.

other coaches like Löw make million mistakes, and then people praise them for their tactical ability after the big triumph bla bla bla. And Pekerman made one mistake and we crushed out and people blame him? It was simply bad luck against us in 2006, thats it.

But Sabella is also great, he managed to get the best out of the team, to form a strong defense, and to make the team peak at the right time, not in the group games.

Sabella or Pekerman is both great.



Dfox
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 12:09 PM
1
IF Sabella leaves and Pekerman is around, then I would want Pekerman to manage the team no doubt.


guled
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 12:04 PM
0
I don't see pekerman coming back as long as grondona is there


Dfox
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 12:02 PM
0
he did go on a leave of absence, BUT why is the question.


I personally would like to think that he did that to go HOME for GOOD.


arg2014
(Canada)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 12:02 PM
0
Ok, with my respect to Sabella, but this is getting ridiculous. He has to decide if he wants to continue or leave for another job offer where it rains money such as Dubai or Qatar. I can't believe how the coaches of S.American teams don't stick with their teams more than couple years, Sabella, Pekerman, Martino, Sampoali are all the same. no wonder European football has prevailed in recent years.


msi2
(France)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 11:59 AM
0
That news sounds like an april fool joke.


Dfox
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 11:39 AM
0
So he quit or is it a leave of absence?


Chainsaw
(Iran)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 11:09 AM
0
Hellalujah baby!!! Though it's unlikely to happen as long as that old swine is at the helm of AFA.


Dfox
(United States)
Posted on 7/28/2014 at 11:04 AM
0
DID HE REALLY LEAVE???????

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