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Posted by John (Sivan John) Saturday, July 19, 2014 Go To Comments

Sabella To Decide On His Future

Alejandro SABELLA has said that he will think about his future as the manager of Argentina over the weekend. Next week he will have a meeting with AFA boss, Julio GRONDONA to give his verdict. 

During the World Cup in Brazil there were various reports stating that he will leave his post after the tournament whether Argentina won the Cup or not. 

Since the team's return from Brazil, there has been a growing number of calls asking him to continue, at least until the Copa America next year. 

Stay tuned to find out. 

 




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rey
(United Kingdom)
Posted on 7/23/2014 at 4:38 PM
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U hope he stays!!! He did great, the defence played beautiful!!!


Mission
(Hungary)
Posted on 7/20/2014 at 4:32 PM
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@The Thinker: I'm not talking about arrogance, hype and egoism. I'm talking about total and absolute confidence. That's why I used the word overconfidence, I admit, it was a mistake. I'm talking about a feeling, when you not just believe, but know, that you CAN beat any other team if you got a fair referee and don't have an extremely unlucky day. Alright, it's not overconfidence it is the confidence of champions. And about England and Brazil... I think the players in these teams knew that they didn't realy have a chance and that is why they tried to compensate their lack of "the confidence of champions" with arrogance. So I believe that if we win Copa'15 we will get back our confidence of champions and I also believe that Bra71l just lost this confidence because of the result of the match against Germany, and I think it is a long and dark journey waiting for them.


gabo
(United States)
Posted on 7/20/2014 at 3:09 PM
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@Budhasmilez: but you would expect a world champion to pull off an easy draw against Nigeria even without its key players! we did the same in 1998, 2006, 2010, and got the comfortable win/draw that was needed.


T-Ben
(Haiti)
Posted on 7/20/2014 at 2:50 PM
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I was sad for the past week !!! Now back on track !!!
We have a Copa America to prepare first of all !!! I would stick with Sabella, now he has a World Cup experience and with at least half of the team with also World Cup experience, I think we might be able to do great things in the FUTURE !!!
Argentina 4 Life !!!


Conquer 2018 russia
(United States)
Posted on 7/20/2014 at 2:45 PM
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@msi2 bro i mean german always plays thier 2nd team againts arg in friendlies but on the other hand arg are vey serious like its a wc....... arg also try young kids friendly against german


T-Ben
(Haiti)
Posted on 7/20/2014 at 2:39 PM
0
Romero-Rulli-3rd goalkeeper
Garay-Fernandez-Rojo-Peruzzi-Mussachio-Orban-Li.Lopez
DiMaria-Lamela-Mascherano-Yacob-Biglia-Perez-Pastore-Messi-Iturbe
Aguero-Icardi-Higuain-Correa
I'm seing already next 23 for major tournaments !!!
Argentina 4 life !!!


Budhasmilez
(India)
Posted on 7/20/2014 at 1:25 PM
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@gabo..My view about Sabella is slightly mixed. But for continuity I would still stick with the same guy unless otherwise we have credible alternative.

Regarding Nigeria match, I think that was a match that we had to win/draw or else we would have faced France in the R16.Hence that would have prompted him to play the best elevan.Even with a strong side we barely managed to scrape out a win.


The Thinker
(Bangladesh)
Posted on 7/20/2014 at 12:10 PM
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@Mission-- Completely disagree with you... In the history of every WC,, not a single Champion was Overconfident... in 1950,, Brazil was already declaring themselves as champion even before the final and they deservedly got beaten by a Humble Uruguay side.. in 1974,, Cryuff's arrogance was the reason they lost to Germany... in 1982,, argentina was supremely egoistic and they got beaten by a greater Brazil team.. 1986 argentina was a very humble and grounded team.. and this year,, Germany thrashed a Brazil team who were having wet dreams of lifting the trophy in front of their fans... the final was contested between the two best teams of the tournament who were equally humble and not overconfident... In the end,, the better team won but argentina can be very proud that they made the Final after 24 years and gave a tremendous fight to the best team of the WC...

Arrogance,Overconfidence,Unnecessary hyping and egoism are the four ingredients which can destroy any team's WC dreams... Sabella has made this team grounded and humble and so he took argentina further than any other coach in 2 decades... 2002 team was argentina's best in the last 2 decades but because of egoism, internal conflicts and overconfidence,, they got out in the first round... Bielsa cannot address this critical issues and that is why he is not better than sabella... Pekerman was a very good coach but he made stupid tactical blunders...

why do you think England is a joke in every WC???? it's because of their Media hyping and their overconfidence,, they haven't won anything in their 150 year football history(1966 was a cheat and it shouldn't be counted)....


Nicky B
(Jamaica)
Posted on 7/20/2014 at 11:41 AM
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Please no more Palacio type of players who CANNOT SCORE good work ethics is one thing but CANNOT able to score is even WORST of another thing


Nicky B
(Jamaica)
Posted on 7/20/2014 at 11:39 AM
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My first post after the World Cup started sigh.... Congrats to the team for making it to the finals as well as the coach Sabella for his good work.....

I would love is Sabella stay but he has work to do he has fix the defensive problem and a very solid defensive midfield unit. Now he needs to filter some of the young guns in this system and sort the transition from midfield to forward. RELYING ON MESSI AND DI MARIA is not wise and he should build an attacking unit of around five with reputable back ups who can get the job done as much as the starters. Because what I observe from this side is we ABSOLUTELY have NO BENCH and enough youths to give us legs and that's exactly what Sabella needs work on....

Attacking Midfielders, transition from defence to attack and call up some decent youngsters who are more than able and will be ready for the next WORLD CUP... The team needs more BALANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Mission
(Hungary)
Posted on 7/20/2014 at 10:52 AM
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@Deb: After we turned into a terrific defensive side (against Belgium), Messi could score two easy goals (one against Belgium, and one in the final). He just missed them, just like the other guys missed their own chances. And it is not new. We missed a lot of chances when we were a terrific attacking side before the WC. But yes, you are right, Messi didn't play that close to the box. But I don't think it was because we turned into a well defending team, but because di Maria was injured and Messi was our only creative player on the field.

By the way we scored 8 goals , and could have scored 8 more (1 against Nigeria, 1 against Switzerland, 2 against Belgium, 1 against Netherland and 3 in the final). I'm talking about the easy chances. Someone said here before, that we need to win something, because when we do we get our confidence back and these easy chances will go in. I couldn't agree more. Bra71l was criticised here that they are so full of themselves. Well, every champion has this attribute. Not every overconfident person is champion, but every champion is overconfident. And they has to be if they want to beat everyone. It may sound ugly but it's true.


mamoun "elpipita"
(Iraq)
Posted on 7/20/2014 at 10:52 AM
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Guys please read my post again I never said that Sabella got his tactics perfectly right, if he did Argentina would've won the world cup but the man did get more things right then he did wrong hence why the albicelestes made it to the final.
My post is in response to some of you who seem to have this idea that "Sabella got all his subs wrong" or "Sabella doesn't know how to pick or use the right subs" and such an extreme form of thinking isn't correct.
I am well aware that Argentina needs to work on getting a better transition from defense to attack but you all have to give Sabella credit for:

A. Correcting his mistakes quickly (switching from
3-5-2 to a 4-3-3 quickly in the first match)

B. Making the necessary subs when required such as
Demi and Basanta at the back and Enzo/Biglia in
the middle.

C. Making Argentina's defense the best in the biz and
that was a monumental feat considering the fact
that the only person on earth who thought that
Argentina had a good defense before the tournament
started was Kidulthood bless his soul.

Mistakes were made during the world cup no doubt but I saw the making of a great coach and a potential future WC champions when the final whistle blew that's why I wasn't as broken up about the loss as some of you.
If Sabella is to stay I want him to stay until the end of the WC 2018 regardless of copa 15, 16, confederation cup and olympics (if Argentina qualifies) results because if Germany showed us anything with Lowe it's that one must see grand projects until the ends regardless of any road blocks one may encounter.






msi2
(France)
Posted on 7/20/2014 at 10:14 AM
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Conquer 2018 russia> You should have known by the time that friendlies mean shit to German.


gabo
(United States)
Posted on 7/20/2014 at 10:13 AM
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@elpipita: yes, some of his changes were effective, but we were mostly talking about in-game substitutions. For one, it was a mistake to bring Gago anyways, so I'm not going to give him credit for replacing him with Biglia rather late in the tournament! His in-game substitutions never seemed too convincing for me. beside, all the ``correct'' moves you are mentioning were mostly at the back or to help our defense! yeah, he had lots of ideas/options/thoughts about our defense, but when in came to offense he seemed slow, out of ideas, and predictable. He did not do anything in that area! there is no question that a less of a coach would do worse, but I believe a better coach could do much more with what we had!

most arguments in his favor are that he took us to w/c final. Again, he was lucky we didn't meet Germany in quarter-finals! everyone in the world is talking about how south-americans are losing their edge in soccer, how they have not won the past three world cups, how they are being beaten by Germany, etc. That's what I wanted to change and it didn't!

here is another big mistake he made that no-one noticed: with the team already in the quarter-finals and only 4 days after a tough game against Iran, he goes out with all his guns against Nigeria! I don't see why he needed to do that! He could rest many players and give his bench a chance, but instead decides to burn out what was left of Aguero and Di Maria.


Caniggia
(Hong Kong)
Posted on 7/20/2014 at 10:04 AM
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I would really like to see him stay. Our midfield and attack did not link up well at all, relying on DiMaria and Messi to almost exclusively do that job. Perez showed some flashes of link work but not enough. But we got to the final and our forwards had their chances to score. If we can get through the 2 copas, I'm pretty certain that by the next WC, our team would be as fluid as Germany. Strong in defence, but even stronger in attack. It's my belief that no team we played including Germany can claim to be superior in this WC. We just need a stronger bench, replacement of the aging guys and we are good. What we don't need is a total change in philosophy - if we go back to all out attack and possession, we will go back to being countered attacked out at the quarter finals or first round.


Conquer 2018 russia
(United States)
Posted on 7/20/2014 at 8:44 AM
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I'm tired of seeing argentina knock down for 3 consecutive wc by Germans ........ Will argentina ever beat Germans in wc .....whoever comes as coach of argentina, try to take a youngster for friendlies against germany like they have been doing for past many occasion ..


Deb
(India)
Posted on 7/20/2014 at 8:33 AM
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But yes. THANK YOU SABELLA. YOU PULLED US TO THE FINAL AFTER 24 YEARS. THANKS A LOT.


Deb
(India)
Posted on 7/20/2014 at 8:29 AM
1
I don't want Sabella anymore. The reason is simple - I didn't like our football in Brazil.

Do you believe it is a coincidence that till the time our defence looked shaky, Messi was scoring goals for fun and just as we solidified at the back, his goals stopped? I think it's not a coincidence. Sabella made us a terrific defensive side. But it's also true that he forgot to bridge that with our forward line. Big coaches do not make such mistakes. We either attacked well, or defended well.

While I am really proud of our defensive performance (no parking the bus, plain class and collective efforts), but I also do not want to go through the same torture for 4 years again. Torture of having a whole gang of world class talents at our disposal and not calling any of them.

Time for a new footballing philosophy. The biggest credit given to Sabella often is he extracted the best out of Messi. I don't agree to that either. Messi has been extremely interested in the national team for the past few years. A player of his calibre would anyway have generated good form for his country. On the contrary, he had to sacrifice a good percentage of his game for our style of play. As admitted by Mascherano and Sabella himself.

We have a great number of young players (24 or below) to look at now.

1. Angel Correa (striker, 19)
2. Mauro Icardi (striker, 21)
3. Erik Lamela (attacking mid, 22)
4. Leandro Paredes (attacking mid, 20)
5. Juan Iturbe (winger/forward, 21)
6. Alan Ruiz (attacking mid, 20)
7. Ezequiel Cirigliano (midfielder, 22)
8. Mateo Musacchio (defender, 23)
9. Nicolas Tagliafico (defender, 21)
10. Geronimo Rulli (goalkeeper, 22)
11. Gino Peruzzi (defender, 22)
12. Lisandro Lopez (defender, 24)
13. Matias Kranevitter (midfielder, 21)
14. Bruno Zuculini (midfielder, 21)
15. Luciano Acosta (striker, 20)
16. Leonel Galeano (defender, 20)
17. Facundo Ferreyra (striker, 21)
18. Sergio Araujo (striker, 22)

Sabella may not call a lot of them. He may persist with the same team for years to come, and that's frustrating.

We need a new head coach who will go all out and play the real Argentine football once more.

On one hand, we have our captain saying - We are Argentina, we don't fear anyone. On the other hand, we keep defending for 120 mins each and every match with occasional counters. It's a joke.


dammage7
(United Kingdom)
Posted on 7/20/2014 at 6:06 AM
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age is never an issue esp with next copa america

just pick the best players for copa

we can use copa america in 2006 and the qualifiers to bring in the youngters as they will be better and more mature

if campa, maxi get picked for copa no problem as long as they are in good form


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 7/20/2014 at 12:12 AM
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SulaV: good sir: you enjoy your "visions" while I enjoy a jd to keep warm lol and buenas noches senor to you.


SulaV
(Canada)
Posted on 7/20/2014 at 12:03 AM
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pablo.d->haha true that! few more months and we will have our version of winter!! Till then we will enjoy watching those certain people :D . buenas noches senor!!


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 11:50 PM
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SulaV: its a strange winter here as its not really nasty but if you are into skiing its crap.

im happy to say I can sacrifice skiing to be warm(I do like to ski but...)like most of us nothing beats being nice and warm and being able to watch certain people (the ladies) wearing little on them as they walk around in the hot sun.


SulaV
(Canada)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 11:44 PM
0
pablo.d->yes sir,,, life is slowly coming back to normal. Hows the winter? :D


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 11:40 PM
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SulaV: hello sir and we could have done with those jd's after the final :)
I hope all is good up your way.


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 11:38 PM
1
Dfox: good points and even tho im not a tevez fan at n.t level I can see the logic of him going instead of gambling (what sabella did) on 2 injured strikers being 100% ready and just as bad was knowing your back up strikers are not really known for any real goal scoring feats at n/t level.

I do think sabella got this wrong at the time.

as I said sabella gambled and lost.


SulaV
(Canada)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 11:37 PM
1
pablo.d-> totally agree..sabella's bench was so defensive that he only looked good when he was trying to defend a lead... his substitutions looked so poor because he never picked enough attacking players and relied heavily on lavezzi and palacio to do the work when our fav4 were having bad time.. Hopefully he stays and does bring in some creative players.


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 11:31 PM
2
elpipita: I know what you are saying about not leaving kun and hig because of injuries but sabella needed to make a tough decision being either don't take one of the 2 injured strikers or have some really decant back up sticker's to fill in and as the backups he selected to do the job were never going to do the job and that was obvious to most people.
sabella got this wrong by his choices.

ive said before you are only as strong as the weakest link and those week links were pal and lav as neither are real goal scorers at n/t level, simply put he got the backups wrong as pal should have been left behind and a better option should have been looked at in the many friendlies we had until we had a deciant backup solution.

as for sabellas subs during a match 9not to the starting but during a game as any sub is supposed to be a possible game changer either in defence or offence)they were poor through the whole w/c, the changes were the same into the knock put stages being usually gago and pal to come on and neither inspires a lot of confidence for me, no creative player to come on and no one to support our previously great counter attacking game.

goals win matches and if we are rally honest we created very little in the way of chances thought the tournament for out hit men.


Dfox
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 11:25 PM
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They say never burn bridges because you never know when you going to need that person.

I'm not going to say IF and I WISH, or that would have happened because such and such......
Sabella took two of our biggest assets to the world cup when they were not fit, while Tevez was fit as a machine.

There is no reason to dwell on the past but a talent like Tevez should have never been ignored!

Sabella needs to start looking at the younger crowd Now and not wait until 2017 before he considers one or two.


arg2014
(Canada)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 10:20 PM
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I think Tevez now is old, won't help us going forward and towards 2018. Higuain and Aguero have been given multiple chances and we never get to win titles.....star power with no actual decisive goals in tournaments. Higuain has poor finishing and instinct......Aguero needs to get his speed back or else he should be out. How many chances do we have to waste on both just because they are stars in their clubs?

For me: Tevez, Higuain, and Palacio are all out.
Aguero has another last chance to improve.....I would keep Lavezzi though. We need young strikers because the main reason Germany defeated us was poor attacking power.


guled
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 10:11 PM
2
@kid,I like the biglia picture you put on your profile, he is symbol of sabella team, tough and solid


HollywoodHayat
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 10:10 PM
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I heard Humberto Grondona is set to take over if Sabella resigns. AFA are asking Sabella to continue if he picks Tevez for next years CA


guled
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 9:52 PM
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We only have two options in my opinion,sabella or simoene,diego simoene won't take over because of club commitment, so sabella is the only option left, these two build solid teams that can win trophies,I prefer bilardo way over Menotti, we have to be solid and taugh


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 9:40 PM
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xtreme: its all good, I want to see all Argentinean players doing well even Icardi..So lets hope he get his head straighten out..He's another Tattoo freak though..lol


Mission
(Hungary)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 9:34 PM
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Well, a leper is not responsible for his own problem. Tevez is. So I don't treat him as a leper, because he is much worse.

I think if Sabella stays we have a great chance to win Copa'15. As I said before, I can't remember the last time when we were so ahead of our rivals. We have everything except a clinical striker. Proper defense - got it. Proper midfield - got it. Strong flanks - got them. Creative players - got them (by the way , did you here that L. Enrique wants to use Messi in a more creative role for Barcelona?). We need a striker. Only a striker.


mamoun "elpipita"
(Iraq)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 9:09 PM
4
It should come to no one's surprise that I'm in full support of Sabella opting to stay because frankly I think he's one of the finest coaches Argentina's ever had!

@pablo D you ask if Sabella will integrate the youth and I am certain that he will.
Remember that Sabella took over the reigns while the team was in transition and the WCQ were knocking on our door so there was no time to test the untested.
He mixed the world class players with those who were average but were known to him and it worked well and you can see that by the end of the WCQ the Guinazus, the Sosas, the Branas and the Dispatos were no where to be found.
Also he's already brought in Lamela and Icardi to the fold and if it wasn't for the former's injury and the latter's off field antics they might've been on the plane to brazil.

You all talk about Sablla's poor substitutions as if that's all he did throughout the tournament and that simply isn't true.
Yes the subbing of Lavezzi and Enzo in the final raised alot of eyebrows but lets not forget that subbing Biglia and Enzo for the underperforming Gago and the injured Dimaria really stabilized the defense and provided Argentina with a defensive solidarity that was unheard of before the tournament.
And lets not forget about Basanta filling in admirably for Rojo and Demichiles forming a proverbial wall along side Garay at the back.
And let's not forget that his placed faith in players like Romero and Rojo made almost all of us eat crow!

I still stand by my opinion that leaving kun and pipita was not an option, period!
Leaving such world class players at home on the off-chance that they might not be a 100% would make sense NOW but doing that before the tournament would've led many to believe that Sabella has lost his mind.

As for Icardi, well the kid has talent no doubt about that but Palacio offered something that Icardi didn't and that is unmitigated hard work and having a respected striker who tracks back without a moment of hesitation is a rarity and don't forget that it was Palacio's work ethic that allowed the build up for Argentina's winning goal against the Swis.

I think we can stand to learn alot from the likes of Germany and Spain where they spent years working on their projects and never wavered even in the face of failure.
In the case of the Germans in particular they kept improving tournament after tournament until they reached the grand prize and I hope that Sabella stays on and takes on board all the mistakes that were made in Brazil and shapes a champion team that can defy expectations and win the cup in a unlikely place like Russia.


guled
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 8:57 PM
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@sulav,absolutely agree with you,@dfox, tevez made him self a leper with his attitude


SulaV
(Canada)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 8:54 PM
0
Tevez chapter is closed now... he will be too old for 2018.. did he deserve to be in the team ? yes he did.. based on his excellent form yes.. based on his Fitness Yes... every time media tried to bring something out of him he always came up with some negative comments... had he and sabella come to terms before the world cup we could have a world class backup for higuain and ageuro... But since his I am bigger than team attitude not only made his international future over it also cost us a big time ... as if he had played in the finals instead of palacio germans woundn't dare to attack us like they did after higuian was subbed off.. !!


Dfox
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 8:46 PM
0
Said it before and I'll say it again and again and again, I have no problem with Tevez, providing he plays within the parameters of the team.

I wish people would stop treating him as a leper.

It was a damn shame he wasn't on the WC squad and I'm not saying he should have been picked 2weeks prior to the WC, but YEARS ago.

I blame both him and Sabella, Sabella for not reaching out to him as soon as he became the manager and Tevez for openly saying how he's not interested in playing for the NT.

KUN has disappointed me beyond comprehension!! He's worse than an 80s Ferrari! Can't go few hundred miles without breaking down.


Mission
(Hungary)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 8:15 PM
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I think that if Sabella wants to stay, then Grondona will force him to include Tevez. It is more actual now, as it seems that we have "forward issues".

Icardi should be given a chance. If Sabella stays, then he will give him chances and Icardi will take advantage of them. That guy is a winner. He is unsympathetic but he is a winner.

About players:

Tevez: No. Plain and simple.

Higuain: Too unpredictable. It is not a big problem if we play attacking football, because we have chances, but if we play defensive football, we have to score those few we have.

Aguero: Can't play 2 consecutive 90 minutes. And he is unreliable because of this. Only good as a sub. The BIG disappointment for me. Now I feel he is just another Tevez for the NT.

Gago: He is good if we face an extremely defending team and we need a killer pass. In ANY other situation he is just a risk.

Old guys: (Demi, Campa, Maxi, etc.) Thank you and good bye!

Lamela: Don't know. As some guys here don't get the hype about Icardi, I don't get the hype about Lamela. Time will tell.

About Sabella being stubborn and not trying young players: Do you remember guys, who created our awesome, young defense?


guled
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 8:02 PM
0
Icardi would have buried those chances, he may lack experience but it is clear to any one who watched him that he is lethal and is not wasteful, he takes his chances


guled
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 7:57 PM
0
@kid, higuain is wasteful,he is never a lethal striker even at madrid he was wasteful, he never performed in big games,higuain started as midfielder at the beginning of his career and turned into striker, he lacks the killer instinct of the great strikers, we have missed two cups partly because of his misses, he may be 26 but he is already out of shape(overweight) I would never trust higuain again


xtreme
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 7:28 PM
0
@Kid, I didn't say Icardi is better than Higuain overall, I was simply saying Icardi can finish better than Higuain, it's pretty clear although Icardi don't have many games under his belt. I can just see it from the way he finish, very powerful, accurate and lethal.


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 7:23 PM
0
SulaV: Exactly, I don't know where this Icardi hype is coming from all of a sudden..The kid has talent but nowhere close to Higuain level..


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 7:21 PM
0
Guled: I agree with bringing young talent to the team but saying no more Higuain is just ridiculous, the guy is just 26..


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 7:18 PM
1
Sabslla is the BEST Argentina coach in over two decades, that's a fact and its proven..Sabella only lost to one top team as coach and that was Germany unfortunately at the wrong time..

Perkeman with all the hype I see him getting here is just laughable..I mean, apart from beating Serbia 6 - 0 in 2006 he pretty much blew that tournament..Perkeman had the best Colombian side in its generation yet he could not defeat the worse Brazilian team in a generation? Yet some folks here take Perkeman as some Genie in a bottle..


guled
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 7:16 PM
0
@kid, I am supporting sabella to stay,but I want see some of the talented young players we have to he given a chance,no more of higuain and gago etc


SulaV
(Canada)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 7:15 PM
0
Guys lets not over hype icardi... he might not be as wasteful as higuain but he is still raw and unproven.. nobody in the world would play icardi over higuain ... but did he deserve his place over palcio? Yes .. palacio was only scoring goals with inter but whenever he donned the albicelsete shirt his body was taken over by he spirit LOrd fred from brasil himself!!I was always against palacio .. i had seen him play for us many years ago along with delgado and yes he was shit back then and he didnt disappoint me in the wc too..


guled
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 7:09 PM
0
Agree with @extreme, icardi is better finisher then higuain,I am sick of higuain missing chances, we could have won copa and World Cup if he finished his chances, higuain is wasteful, icardi takes his chances much better


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 7:07 PM
0
Pablo.d: Its what it is..If Sabella goes then this team will only head backwards and will again become target practice for other national team...



gabo
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 7:05 PM
0
@xtreme: I wish coaches paid more attention to that non-statistics: how well does one do in big games?! in world cup you get 7 big games and having a player that does well on average would not tell you much! you either need a consistent one, like Messi (I'm sure you can make a 1 hour highlight only out of his games against real Madrid!), or someone nasty with a big heart for NT like Ayala! we had more players like that before. Caniggia was excellent in this! he could go an entire season without doing much, but would convert an impossible header with the back of his head in semi against Italy or curl one in from an impossible angle against Nigeria! that confidence, that commitment to show up when you're needed, is something you teach yourself! and that's the kind of attitude that wins you championships! there is really no statistics that counts for it, unfortunately! if you say Icardi has that kind of attitude, it's good news then! you can't really say the same about Higuain! in his time in Madrid, he didn't really show up in el classico or in uefa cup, did he?


SulaV
(Canada)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 6:57 PM
0
there is no sooner or later for palacio and gago. Their international career is over. Do you guys even know how long palcio has been with the team.. he is been in and out and never ever has done nothing good for the team. Apart from them Demi, augusto, maxi, campa ,ricky and ferdico(yes). they should also go. WE have better and young defenders waiting.

------------romero---------
----zaba-----Mussaccio/fazio-----garay----rojo---
------perez/biglia-----masch--------
----lamela------itrube------dimaria---
----------------messi------------

my team to start the new campaign.



pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 6:54 PM
0
gabo: a great write up for you good sir.


gabo
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 6:46 PM
2
pablo.d: very nice and crucial questions you asked there! here is my take. I will leave the most important issue to the last:

can he integrate youth into the sat up?

probably yes. He will, sooner or later, be forced to retire someone like Palacio and give Iturbe, Lamela, Icardi, etc. a real chance. But can he integrate them at the right time? can he be flexible enough to replace established, out of form, old timers with younger players near world cup? that I do not know. probably Copa America will come with its own surprises and we will see how he reacts.

can he make better use of the subs?

I like this question since it's impossible to think that a manager can get it right during 7 w/c games from beginning to end. so how well can a manager react to the course of game will go a long way to determine a team's fate. Unfortunately, I'm not optimistic at this point. How can one justify kun for Lavezzi? or Gago for Perez near the end? he won't be in the same situation and god knows what surprises will be facing us in 2018. I just don't seem to be able to trust him again with his subs.

can he pick players on form not reputation?

I'm more positive on this one! I think he has learned this the hard way! it's not the first time we've been hit by this issue! Take Marcelo Bielsa for example, a coach I respect as someone who has achieve a lot with Chile and Athletic Bilbao. I remember after copa 2004 and olympics, people didn't really want him to go! he took a very young squad to copa and impressed! he had learned his lesson from 2002, where he suffered severely from this exact issue! he just couldn't come in peace with the idea that Ortega is no loner a world-class playmaker, or that either Batistuta should play or Crespo, depending on the form! but every game, he would start with Batistuta and then switch to Crespo in the second half. He had a lot of big names on his bench and got confused on how to make use of them. I liked Sabella's firm start with Tevez (he has had his chances), but didn't like his finish! he too surrendered to names and not form! but can we trust this does not happen again? perhaps we can if he is a good learner.

can he get the mid to work with the strikers as reality is we created very little chances for our strikers during this w/c?

you're right! we seemed to be out of options and this is one of my main reason why Sabella should go. There is no evidence to be positive on this one! he was successful when playing against south american teams. Those were pretty much open games and our midfield was not pressed hard enough. Friendlies against Europeans were good but they don't really count! they don't tell you much about how the teams will come out in a competitive match. The games against Switzerland and Germany turned out to be much different from their respective friendly versions. so the only place to measure the offensive quality of the midline was in the world cup, where they failed miserably. How do we even know that he is capable of putting together a strong midfield? that's why I would favor a more offensive minded coach (of course not some maniac like Maradona, but someone with a more successful club or NT background). we have coaches who can do a lot more in this area. Of course to be fair, we don't know if they can be as successful in defense! Even if doubts on your other questions can be resolved, we will not truly know the answer to this question until four years from now! The least he needs to do is to bring a fresh assistant coach and be willing to listen to him a lot!!

so I'd say I favor him leaving, but it's close. it's a 60/40. he's decent enough to take us to another world cup, but this is just not the style of soccer I identify Argentina with. most of you who favor him to stay are pointing out some crucial things that need to be changed! And I believe asking him to change all of that is kind of asking him to not be Sabella anymore, in which case we can rely on people who have the advantage of not being Sabella by nature!


xtreme
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 6:42 PM
0
I can't wait to see how icardi turns into as a player. I can see that killer face in him and the way he strikes the ball...very powerful, accurate and lethal. Hopefully he could expand his skill sets and be more like Higuain in terms of passing, dribbling, creating for others etc, then he would surely be one of the best strikers out there.


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 6:40 PM
2
kh: "..I can guarantee you "
kh have you not learned your lesson? as their is nothing you can guarantee that will be 100% certain in football.
you did a lot of this before and during the w/c and some thing about humble pie should be in your thoughts these days before making guaantrees you have no control over from no European team will win it in sth America to Germany will not win it etc etc


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 6:34 PM
1
kh: what I said was some one LIKE an icardi, im not saying he is better or worse then any one but he deserved a chance as did some others but sabella did not try any potential young players/new talent in the friendlies (45 mins or less does not count for me as giving some one a chance) but again by sabella taking 3 players all with injury concerns (add messi was not 100% fit and gago) was a bold move that back fired as he did not have the back up strikers for that "rainey day" that did hit us.

the warning signs were their, he threw all his eggs into the same basket and he did not take heade of the warnings and address the potential problems.


xtreme
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 6:33 PM
0
his best performances in his career so far were against juventus, that's a fact


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 6:32 PM
0
So Icardi scoring goals against Bologna, Parma, Cheivo, Palermo etc is your definition of scoring against BIG teams?


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 6:29 PM
0
If Argentina lose Sabella then this team will only go backwards..I can guarantee you if Sabella leaves Argentina will have like 4 different coaches before the 2018 world cup..If sabella goes forget about Copa America because they wont win squat,it will be either Chile or Colombia..

AFA always mess up a good thing and losing Sabella will be another prime example..Lowe, Busque all staying in their jobs for at least the next FIFA tourbnament, why can't Argentina be as discipline like the Europeans?


xtreme
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 6:27 PM
0
Nah, it wasn't just flashes of brilliance, it was about killer instinct, Higuain flopped many times in big games missing sitters, while icardi have done very well against big teams taking all his chances well. We will have to see how he performs for a few more seasons to really judge. For now, according to what i see, Icardi is a world class finisher, I'm talking just the ability to finish...he's as good as anyone and better than Higuain in terms of finishing. However, Higuain is better in creating his own chances, dribbling, passing, etc.


dammage7
(United Kingdom)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 6:23 PM
0
aabella has had an offer outside argentina, economically better

i dont see AFA matching it


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 6:23 PM
0
Sorry, Icardi is not better than Higuain..Showing flashes of brilliance don't all of a sudden makes you better than Higuain..I could say Iturbe is better then Messi going by some of the games he had in Italy last season..


dammage7
(United Kingdom)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 6:21 PM
0
sabella other error was augusto

in hindsight banega or a 6th striker or someone like pastore would have proved more useful


xtreme
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 6:20 PM
0
Icardi might have tons of issues off the field, but he's got killer instinct that higuain lacks. Kid is very lethal and takes all his chances well, and his convertion rate is as good as higuain if not better, although it was only a small sample size. Higuain can create his chances while icardi needs to be fed, but Icardi is a better finisher to me.


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 6:12 PM
0
Simple logic, if anyone think Icardi would have made a difference for Argentina then they need to take off the blinders..AFA could have gone back in time and bring back Batigoal and he wouldn't have made a difference at the world cup..

Lahm, Neuer, Khedeira,Klose, Vidal, Suarez were all injured leading up to the world cup, some even had surgery..

Higuain did not have a world cup ending injury..I remember at the time when he was sub off vs Inter Milan and everyone here was worried like crazy about the prospect of Higuain missing the world cup, the same goes for Aguero..Aguero and Higuain injuries weren't any worse than Vidal and Suarez as a matter of fact they were in better conditions than their fellow South American compatriot..Medel played with an injury for the entire time vs Brazil and he was pretty solid the whole time..If you told me before the world cup that Higuain and Aguero would only have 1 goal between them from 7 games, I would have probably laugh at you..

People need to stop blaming Sabella for taking Higuain and Aguero to the world cup..This is pathetic, any team would have taken them, these guys are world class players that should have man up at the world cup for their country and fans outside of Argentina...

I'm still mad at Higuain and Aguero but by no means that hot head kid Icardi is better than Higuain or Aguero whether they're 100% or 10% fit...

Sabella is the Best thing that happen to Argentina in a long time and if he step down then that's it for me with this stupid AFA..Sabella have made it impossible for teams to defeat Argentina..

I can see us replacing guys like Palacio, Campagrano, Demi, Augusto,Orion and Andujar..

Lamela will be back, hopefully he recover his Roma form..Lets hope Pastore get back to his Parlemo days.

Argentina is also lacking goal scoring midfielders..I like Perez and Biglia but they need to get their shooting boots on..

German Dennis should have gotten Palacio spot on the team..


guled
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 5:31 PM
0
@pabl.d,you are correct on that one, sabella should have taken strikers like icardi just in case,but icardi him self didn't help his cause with the wanda issue, I think we missed in lamela as element of surprise,I hope he gets to his best, he is absolutely great player


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 5:20 PM
1
guled: I agreed our attackers failed big time but sabella has to wear some of it as he choose to take 3 players to the w/c who had injury problems in kun, gago and hig (di maria was bad luck), these 3 were not going to be any where near peak form/fitness by w/c kick off and that was obvious for all to see.

we had plenty of time to give others a chance like icari before the w/c but sabella choose not to despite some of us saying we need backups encase of injuries.
he decided to stick with who he knew and take as backup lav and pal who at international lever are very poor sticker's and watching them fail in front of goal was no surprise.

as I said sabella made the choices to take certain players and not try others and Argentina paid the price for some of his decisions.
in a way sabella actions that got us their also were our undoing.


guled
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 5:06 PM
0
Pablo.d, you made good points,sabella is stubborn but no one expected our attackers will fail like that,injecting new blood is must, we can't just continue with same guys(higuain&aguero)the coach should give other strikers a shot, but I like sabella tactics,we never had a solid team since bilardo, sabella made the team tough and solid,we need good attackers who can take their chances


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 4:28 PM
2
im 50/50 on reappointing sabella why?

the good:
he brought the team together
made us fight as one
very good in the qualifs
got us to a w/c final

the unlucky:
what are the chances of messi being injured for a time before the w/c, then kun, hig, gago and during di maria-these all were big losses and none of them were 100% during the w/c and all of them were key players in sabellas master plan.

the bad:
he is to stubborn
refusal to try young players giving them little to no time in friendlies.
his use of subs has always been diabolical and was just as bad during this w/c, his choice did cost us and his mistakes are as bad as peckermans.

my questions:
can he integrate youth into the sat up?
can he make better use of the subs?
can he pick players on form not reputation?
can he get the mid to work with the strikers as reality is we created very little chances for our strikers during this w/c
can he make another plan not using messi for every thing, messi should be the icing on the cake not plan a,c and c.

as I said m 50/50 on him, but I will say either he stays and we give him all 4 years and not 2 or part of as its important the manager has all 4 years to work with the team or he goes.

if he stays the 1st team sabella picks will say a lot about what he has learned, if its almost the same team as at the w/c then he's has learned not a lot but if he's to mix it up a little with some old heads and some up and comers then he's on the correct path.


tamthebam
(Scotland)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 4:25 PM
0
I feel that SABELLA should continue. He has restored the credibility of the team. Let him prepare the side for the Copa and see how it goes. VAMOS ARGENTINA!


guled
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 1:09 PM
0
Brazil is about to appoint dunga, he is boring and ugly but he makes their team solid defensively,if we want to win copa we must have sabella, he built a solid team that can beat any one


guled
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 1:02 PM
0
I agree with the suggestion that grondona is cancer that needs to be removed, if sabella doesn't continue it is becouse of that old fart,I am hearing he will appoint his son as interim, what a crazy idea,also he wants tevez back, 30 year old tevez won't add any thing to the team,grondona is the problem argentina has


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 12:57 PM
1
Vasu: It was only a rumor that ARG and BRA might play at the 2016 Euros, it was never confirm by the UEFA body..

lets say UEFA goes through with it, they will have some special rules for Argentina and Brazil..Just like when we invite teams to Copa America, the teams are only allow to take a Olympics type squad. So basically the Euros will do the same for Argentina and Brazil if they were to invite them....No way on earth will they have a full strength Argentina team competing for their continental cup.


Vasu
(India)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 12:48 PM
0
@kid what abt upcoming Euro Cup??? r v playing??


albiceleste
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 12:48 PM
0
hope Sabella stays as the manager of the team until 2018 wc in Russia, as an albicelestes, I am very proud with the work he putting with the team for the past few yrs specially this past wc, I am going to vote yes for Sabella , I want him to stay!
































Arglover
(South Africa)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 12:44 PM
0
You guys should never stay away from this fantastic place, we have to cheer for Argentina until our last breath, I can't help it without.


albiceleste
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 12:43 PM
0
hope Sabella stay as the manager of the team until 2018 wc in Russia, as an albicelestes, I am very proud with the work he putting with the team for the past few yrs specially this past wc, I am going to vote yes for Sabella , I want him to stay!
































KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 12:36 PM
0
Why don't Pelegrini bring Di Maria to Man City? I hope Di doesn't go to that club PSG with all those Brazilian..Lavezzi and Pastore should get out as soon as possible.PSG is a wannabe top club..


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 12:31 PM
0
Since everybody is running to Europe these days, and I understand its all due to financial reasons..We need at least 2 - 3 of our midfield starters playing at the same club..I would love for Perez and Bilglia to end up with the same club team, what great understanding they would develop over the years even if they don't start every game together they will still play together in practice..I would love if Simeone bring Perez and Biglia to Atletico Madrid, send Sosa to Lazio for the swap plus cash....My wish is for Biglia, Perez, Pastore and Lamela playing at the same club team.


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 12:25 PM
0
Argentina can skip the confederation cup, I don't care about that tournament..


Conquer 2018 russia
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 12:21 PM
0
his strategic and tactic are fantastic but selection of players sucks......eg; aguero, hugain, palacio ,gago


Aslam
(Qatar)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 12:17 PM
0
So The Possible Cup for Argentina...!

1- Copa-2015
2- Copa Centenario-2016 (May)
3- Olympics-2016* (August)
4- Confederation Cup-2017**
5- WC-2018

*Only Qualify if you win 2015 South American Youth championship.
**Only Qualify If you win Copa 2015


Gilly
(India)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 12:12 PM
0
I feel Sabella must continue. That's a must for our continuous development.


theAbNormalOne
(India)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 12:04 PM
0
Hope he decide to continue the job...


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 11:41 AM
0
2015 Copa winner will qualify for the Confederation cup..The 2016 Copa is like a big get together of all the Americas and Caribbean teams..CONCACAF will already have their team for the Confederation cup due to the GOLD Cup tournament..So the 2016 Copa will have nothing to do with the up coming Confederation cup..

Argentina will possible have 3 tournament not 2, if you include the Olympic football to the list..

PLEASE, PLEASE stay Sabella, your work its not done yet, at least go out with a few titles..


MessiEra
(Canada)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 11:07 AM
1
good news for argentina !
sure he'll continue the job, call up the other young players to complete the team and lets show the world what we're about


The Thinker
(Bangladesh)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 11:04 AM
1
Unless that Parasite Grondona is removed from AFA,, Argentina will never dominate world football for a prolonged period... Grondona is the main reason why brilliant coaches haven't been able to continue with the NT,, and thus we always failed to live up to our potential... Sabella is a brilliant tactician and Argentina was in top 3 of World football for 3 straight years with Sabella in charge... No.1 in qualifiers and almost Champion,, if Grondona brings dirty politics into this and sacks Sabella then Argentina will have no future... and i'm damn serious this time... Argentina needs a Long term project and overhaul of their Youth system if we are to dominate world football consistently like Spain did for 6 years and Germany will do...

Latin teams are not winning because their football federations are a joke... and if this Devils like Grondona continues to remain in power then soon Latin America will no longer remain a Powerhouse in WCs and Europe will create a Monopoly where only they will win...

Mundo should now have two polls-- Should Argentina make an Overhaul of the Youth System and Should Grondona be removed from AFA... i vote Yes for both of them...


Bruce Wayne
(India)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 10:59 AM
0
@trini - the same feeling is there in my mind too. We have been going through one of the greatest droughts in sports history after all these talents we have produced for the game. but there is an end for every cycle. i hope the copa america win will be it.


msi2
(France)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 10:52 AM
0
The Copa America in 2015 decides for the Confederations Cup participation in 2017.


Trini Pupi
(Trinidad And Tobago)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 10:41 AM
1
I think the 2 copa america's are a blessing in disguise.
2 tournaments before a world cup is definitely a great way to prepare the team, new players etc.
Maybe win both?
:)
That would be awesome
I have this theory once we win either a copa america or wcup...a nice cycle will begin.


Dë§TìñY2018
(Kenya)
Posted on 7/19/2014 at 9:52 AM
0
COPA AMERICA TWO TIMES???
2015 2016,which winner will qualify 2017confederations??

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