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Posted by John (Sivan John) Thursday, July 03, 2014 Go To Comments

Just Some Random Thought

Forgive me if this article seems a bit strange but it’s just that I had a few things locked inside my head that I thought of venting them out randomly. So with about half an hour sparred from my lunch break, here goes nothing…..

First question, am I happy that we are winning?

Of course I am, no matter how good or ugly; winning is still wining and it is sure feels good that our beloved team has made it this far it what has been an unpredictable World Cup. The last time I recall we had such (unpredictable) World Cup was back in 2002, in which were just like Italy, Spain and England this time.

Second question, am I happy with our team’s performance?

Not really, not at all.

Not that I’m trying to be negative but I also feel we need to be realistic about this team. When the final 23 players’ roster was named; somewhere at the back of my head my thought was that this team was designed for MESSI to have outstanding World Cup.

I’m sure some of us might agree that this is not the best team we’ve seen as those who are old enough would have seen better than this one. I still like to think the team we had in 2002 was by far the best ever since winning the World Cup in 1986. The personalities we had in that squad was purely intact in every department. Yet, because we were made to play like European it cost us dearly.

Back to 2014, I’m not going get into the argument about the players that were not called up because that would be pointless. So far with fours win out of four, scoring 7 and conceding 3 with four goals coming from Lionel MESSI. I am happy that at least MESSI is having a great World Cup but that’s the part which worries me as quickly this team is being tagged as a one man show.

Coming back to earlier statement on how this team was designed for MESSI to excel. Judging by these performances so far, they are who are comparing this team to the one from 1986. I have to be honest that I don’t take pleasure from that kind of tagged as to me football is a team sport and the team with the best team work wins. I don’t think this is something impossible for us to achieve as deep down I still believe the rest of the 22 players have what it takes to perform better.

If there is one good omen, I think this World Cup we have kind of being a slow starter as compared to the previous two editions. At this stage by now, we would have been making a huge statement to the rest in the competition but this time, seems like the critics doubt us.

Third question, is changes a necessity?

Changes though it looks like a simple and easy word but putting it into practice is scary proposition. So far the formula that we have been emphasizing has been less convincing though they have yield good results.

But as we move further in the World Cup, our opponent will be stronger and the competition gets tougher. Can we be depending on the same formula again? My take is no.

So we can expect Alejandro SABELLA to make some necessary adjustment? Realistically he has too so we will be hearing quite a few changes on the team in the next few days.

From what I’m gathering…

Federico FERNADEZ might be dropped in favour Martin DEMICHELIS to partner in central defense. Pablo ZABALETA might be moved to play in left back since Marcos ROJO is suspended. Hugo CAMPAGNARO will be brought to occupy the right back position.

Fernando GAGO who has been ineffective will be dropped, in his place will be Lucas BIGLIA but I’m not going to rule out Enzo PEREZ. Maxi RODRIGUEZ could also be brought back to occupy the right of midfield with Angel DI MARIA keeping his place on the left.

Up front, instead of a front three, will be reduce to a front two with Lionel MESSI and Gonzalo HIGUAIN for the time being.

My only concern is that with too many changes can the team gels and clicked together at the crucial stage. Hopefully this is something that SABELLA has been working with the players behind closed doors and perhaps we are not aware about.

Anyway, these are just few thoughts I had in my head, for now.




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safari
(Iran)
Posted on 7/4/2014 at 6:50 AM
0
In the bus stalled case, the best tactic is playing in their ground and increasing the passes and assists coolly and carefully. I think Argentina's players has the sufficient experience in this scope.


rey
(United Kingdom)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 3:27 PM
1
I do not think it is anything to do with the players. The fact is teams are defending against us and nothing else. Dropping Federico Fernandez is ludicrous because we need him for his height and that would be crucial against Belgium who are a tall side..


dammage7
(United Kingdom)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 2:14 PM
0
i dont recall many players improving during a wold cup after 4 games

gago higgy werenyt improve

fede might be poor but we micho not better right now for argentine belgium. campa at RCB i can live with


Mikail
(Malaysia)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 1:49 PM
0
@Marcos Rojo, I have nothing against Fernandez. In fact I reserved my comment on him during the group stage because I was hoping that he would improve match by match. But after 4 matches he hasn't improved much and he is still unreliable. That's why now I point out his weaknesses and limited ability. And if Sabella decides to replace Fernandez with Demichelis, I'm all for it because in terms of ability Demichelis is way better than Fernandez.

Besides, international football is not so much about consistency and chemistry unlike club football. In fact how you're gonna find the consistency and chemistry by playing in one month tournament? Or by playing 1-2 games in two or three months time? Heck, most payers need at least 3-4 months of playing together everyday to develop the chemistry and consistency.

International football is all about impact, tactical, strategy and a bit of understanding amongst the players. As long as all the players have training together for a few weeks they should have enough understanding about each other's game.


joesoccers
(Canada)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 1:37 PM
1
if the team is to reliant on messi, it's the players fault.

if messi is marked by 4 players, then higuain is being marked by 11, so was aguero.

when teams park 11 players in the box, what is higuain supposed to do, or aguero for that matter.

argentina is a counter attack team, ironically, the pekerman style would have thrived at this world cup.

to counter park the bus, you have to keep attacking and attacking, short passes and put all your players in their half.

basically the barca style.

they need to play off each other more, not just stand there and watch messi.

but sabella was worried about the counter, so the back 4, gago and masche rarely joined the attack apart from runs down the side by rojo and zaba.



KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 1:29 PM
0
Mikail: I was not talking about the team, I mention a specific player and his name was Fernandez..


Hua
(United States)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 1:25 PM
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Up to know, when we compared the favorites, the performance is something like Netherlands > France > Germany > Argentina > Brazil.

I assume Brazil and Germany will be eliminated in the quarterfinal and Argentina will face Netherlands in semi and (if they go through) France in the final. But I doubt they could pass Netherlands.

Instead of all-American final, there is a big chance for an all-European final.


Chainsaw
(Iran)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 1:22 PM
0
I disagree with these many changes in the team all of a sudden. The only two changes I agree with is Demichelis for FF and Perez for Lavezzi. Move Di Maria to the LW and insert Perez to help out Gago and Mascherano in midfield.


Mikail
(Malaysia)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 1:21 PM
0
@Marcos Rojo, I don't care about the other teams. If their players play like shit that doesn't concern me one bit. My only concern is about Argentina not just about football but the whole nation even though I'm not an Argentino. I have high hope that Argentina are going to be successful in this WC but at the same time I will be objective in my comment. Whatever team that Sabella will send out to play I will support full hearted but that won't stop me to point out any weakness in the team.

Name me one really stand out good moment from FF performance in this WC. His best moments were just average by normal standard. But I'm not going to go into details because I don't hate Argentina players. I will always support the whole team whenever and wherever they play. How can you say I never praise the team when I did give support towards Aguero, Di Maria, Biglia, Zabaleta, Mascherano and others when some other bloggers just burned them to die? Like I said I don't hate the players but I just want to be objective in pointing out the team weaknesses.


chris
(India)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 12:29 PM
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Guys i think Sabella is gonna go for a totally insane and risky move infact he should go for dat instead of fearing that the present 11 s the best choice we have...becoz incase we play in semis and final dis game s gonna be the easiest out of the three

so my line up is for first half

--------romero----------
zaba---demi---garay---basanta----
-----enzo--mashce---biglia---
----higuain--messi--palacio---

and we must press hard and get belgium in the counter and den in second half

dimaria in for biglia and ricki and come in for who plays worse higuain or palcio but formation mst remain same


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 12:05 PM
0
SulaV: This old trick wont work, this is pointless..Switzerland was doing the same thing, so too the Bosnian coach and players..Even Iran coach Carlos Queiroz was doing it, what all these guys have in common? They're all Europeans..I remember Mourinho tried to drag Pelegrini into this tried and failed tactic of war of words..Pelegrini wasn't having any of it, so he stayed quiet..


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 12:00 PM
0
@Mikail: Its easy to remember what FF did wrong but why cant you also acknowledge what he did right on the pitch? Which defenders haven't made mistake at this world cup? 2 of Brazil goals 1 each against Chile and Croatia came from defensive mistake..Germany defense is not better than Argentina; Holland the same, Brazil the same, Belgium the same etc...

This is today world we living in, you guys are always quick to pick out players mistakes but never praise them for the other good work they have been doing..God bless uncle Sabella, keep on doing your job..


SulaV
(Canada)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 11:58 AM
0
Belgians have already started the war of the words .They know its not possible to win against us just by playing football and that is why they want to unsettle our camp. I am glad sabella hasnt said a word unlike maradona whose arrogance gave the germans so much advantage .


Mikail
(Malaysia)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 11:52 AM
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I fail to see how FF has improved. He still messes up simple clearances, he still takes one touch too many before clearing the ball, he is still easily turned inside out on 1 on 1 duel, he is still a yard or two too slow which shows his poor positional sense and poor reading of the game. We didn't concede against the Swiss partly because Zaba, Garay, Rojo and Romero bailed FF mistakes every time.

I still can't forget how his poor clearance led to Drmic free to have 1 on 1 vs Romero in the first half. Luckily, Romero stood his ground and bailed him out.


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 11:52 AM
0
Belgium like all the other European nations at the world cup are so arrogant, they act as if they're the only ones that know how to play football..The Belgium coach is so full of it, he should keep on talking..I cant stand none of these European teams, and like the Thinker, I want to see a Brazil Argentina final, yes I said it, I don't hate Brazil, and I have admiration for few of there players..These are the two kings of football and they should represent football at this world cup final in South America..Belgium should know they haven't played an elite team in the past 2 years, the only good team Belgium face was Colombia which they lost..Croatia, Algeria, South Korea, Russia, Scotland, Serbia, Wales etc is no Argentina..


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 11:42 AM
2
I agree with @Zelen, every team left in the tournament will stick to Bosnia, Iran and Swiss tactics playing against Argentina..Even if we are fortunate to play against either Holland or Costa Rica they will apply the same tactics..The Europeans believe in their guts that this is the way to stop Messi, but it haven't work so far..Don't forget that Iran coach is the former Man United and Portuguese coach..Sabella has a plan B and its what you see on disposal now..Forget about pretty football..Sabella is winning this as ugly as the Italians did at past world cups..When you look at it, even Spain won there last world cup ugly, yes they had 70% of the ball but most of the play was in their own half..People tend to forget that Switzerland was the only team that beat Spain back in 2010..God forbid and Bosnia had beaten us in the first game, Mundo would have given up the fight longtime ago.

Some say Argentina is too reliant on Messi? Before it was ''Messi doesn't perform for his country,'' Now is country is too ''reliant'' on Messi?


dammage7
(United Kingdom)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 11:20 AM
1
if we dont concede we will win, i cant see belgium not scoring so if we keep it tight at the back and biglia masherano as double 5's, we will win

personally i think we should park the bus and counter

Zaba - Fede - Garay - Basanta

---- -- mashe --bigla
lavezzi-------------------di maria

--------BUS BUS BUS BUS----

---------messi---palacios


outlaw
(Poland)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 11:15 AM
0
Julker@ I saw that goal a many times. This goal is a stunt, exploit for Higuain but not for many other and a far better strikers.


Zelen
(Ukraine)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 11:12 AM
2
i believe that among those 7 teams only Brazil and Costa Rica will not play by parking the bus against us. all other teams will.

i've read several interviews from Belgians and they say they are confident, know how to stop Leo, they will attack, blah, blah and so on. however we should not believe that. they will sit quietly and try to counter attack just like Iran and Swiss did (i would even add Bosnia to this list no matter than we started with 5-3-2). this is considered as 'successful' tactics against us as long as Iran and Swiss had their moments. also 4 people will watch Messi.

what we need is additional player in the middle so i would expect Sabella to play 4-4-2.

having Basanta instead of Rojo, i would prefer to have midfield look like this: Di Maria, Mascherano, Biglia and Alvarez. of cause there may be Gago instead of Lucas or Ricky but i would like him playing pretty good on the bench :)

on front side i would prefer to have Leo and Palacio. yes, there is some sense of still having Higuain on the pitch, but he's weak against parked buses so i would prefer energetic play from Palacio.

if we play this way, Leo will be closer to opponent goal and we will have Alvarez and Di Maria passing to him while still having two people - Mascherano and Biglia to ensure we have everything clear at the bottom.


dammage7
(United Kingdom)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 11:10 AM
0
fantastic post and agree wit hall they chnages

perez can do what gago does ..and more


KidultHood
(United States)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 11:03 AM
4
Hi, how is everyone today? Are we feeling bless today? Why so grumpy my friends?

@Aslam: Let me address you first, because I have to disagree with you..Nigeria always think they have a score to settle with Argentina and that the victories Argentina had over them in the past world cups were so call because of ''luck.''Up to this day the Nigerians still haven't gotten over the U20 and Olympic final defeats by the hands of Argentina..Nigeria wanted to win the game.Before the world cup, they (Nigerian players)were all boasting how they would beat Argentina and top the group..Iran had no other alternative but to open up like a can of worms against Bosnia on the final day, they could not play for a draw because that will only give them 1 point which would have been a total 2 points from 3 games..No one believe that Iran was going to defeat Bosnia, especially if Iran open up and start playing attacking football, which they had to do against Bosnia..

I see some here comparing France performance against Switzerland in the group stage to Argentina performance to Switzerland in the round of 16..Now lets put things into prospective, before the world cup started, Switzerland was a seeded team over countries like France, Italy, Holland etc..Switzerland wanted to come out and make a statement against France in order to justify their seeded place in the group stage..Switzerland had nothing to lose going all out attacking against France because they already had 3 points on the board courtesy of a late winner against Ecuador and being that Honduras was next in line for Switzerland after the France game then there was no reason for Switzerland to play defensive against France because 3 points was all but sure against Honduras which would take them through regardless of wining or losing to France..Against Argentina, Switzerland did not have a Honduras in a following game to rely on, so they had to play defensive against Argentina..Switzerland have never beaten Argentina in 7 meetings before this world cup, after looking at these numbers, of course they would put 8 players behind the ball to upset Argentina game..Swiss was beaten 3 - 1 back in 2012 so they had already played us 2 years ago and no way Argentina would have gotten the same amount of space on the field, go watch the 2012 game and compare it to the Swiz formation this past Saturday..Argentina had 64% possession to Swiss 36% possession; 29 shots to Swiss 15 shots; Arg 8 shots on target and Swiss 4 shots on goal (don't tell me Argentina defense is not playing good);Arg 13 corners to Swiss 5 corners; Arg 18 fouls to Swiss 29 fouls; Romero 4 saves and Swiss goalkeeper 7 saves..Was this a vintage Argentina performance? No, can the team play better? yes..I have learnt one thing so far during this world cup, and its like the teams we face especially smaller nation to us, have this attitude of saying '' if you want to win this world cup then you'll have to work for it, we wont roll over and let you have an easy pass''

I see no reason why FF should be replace by Demechelis, this would be disaster for the team..FF is finally growing back in confidence and to kick him out the team for no reason after not conceding a goal in 120 minutes makes no sense..Sorry this is not the ending season for Manchester City, yes Demi had a great ending but to shove him in the team now is not smart, Demi takes a while to gain confidence.How many games at Man City did it take Demi before he settle down? Now you get the point, Fernandez is alright with me at this point, I believe he's getting better..Argentina defense is not shaky, its just not athletic enough, that's the only problem with our defense..Argentina have now conceded only 3 goals in their last 9 games, that's not shaky my friends..British media have push this term '' shaky Arg defense'' for a while now which is bullocks especially Will Tidey on B/R who said ''Shaqiri was going to shred up the Argentina shaky defense and Switzerland would win by 3 goals.'' These pundits get paid to write about football but they know nothing about the sports outside of Europe...How does it feel England that the USA have now done better than you in two straight consecutive world cup?

I agree with some folks here with the inclusion of Enzo Perez, I believe he will had more mobility in our midfield..Gago is tired Sabella should rest him for now..Biglia starting? I don't know about that, Biglia for me is not much faster than Gago (Is one touch pass is excellent though) and should be a second half sub etc.Maxi starting is not a good idea either, as I always said, Maxi is a supper sub who can come on and spark up our attack, he should remain as such...Two main example was against Slovenia and Bosnia...Maxi started in both games, although he had two great chances against Slovenia, his distribution was horrible in that game, and it was the same during the Bosnia game, Maxi is not technical alert enough to start a game in midfield for Argentina at this point, if it was a 26 years old Maxi then it would have been fine with me to have him start against Belgium..

Higuain and Palcio should start and not Lavezzi, Lavezzi is a super sub..If Argentina start both Lavezzi and Palacio then they lose the element of surprise coming off the bench..Aguero is not 100% yet so he would lack the burst of speed needed late in a game and risk pushing himself to a serious injury..Higuain is never known for his speed, so this is why Lavezzi must come off the bench with his bursting pace when defenders are tired..We cant't start all of our subs if they come on a play good in a game, everyone has a role..Back in 2006 Del Piero was used as a sub a few times, and he did not have any problem with his role on the team..Navas was used as a sub for Spain and he did not have any problems with his role on the team..This is a team sport and everyone can't start, I believe some players are just better as a sub than a starter..

These players should come into the team for Saturday game; Palacio, Enzo, Basanta...And i forget to mention, no Zabaleta at LB, this is so crazy..

Shout out to Rafat; keep your head high my friend, we will win this world cup...


Greets :)


dammage7
(United Kingdom)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 11:00 AM
0
palacio is faster than higaun though. and his record in seria a last few years is very respectable. higauin is a poacher, and our current system would-not help him this stage.

also sabella good return to 5-3-2 in this one and i woulnt blame him

---fede - demi - basanta
zaba---masherano---basanta

------ricky-----di maria

------messi-----higgu/palacio
-----------




SulaV
(Canada)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 10:53 AM
0
there is little doubt that higuain is going through a very bad form and if aguero was fit sabella would have used only one out of the two but unfortunately aguero seems be running out of time to even be on the bench against the belgians. Lavezzi cannot play as our target man he doesnot have that skills and messi is always comfortable playing with somebody upfront. Now that leaves us with Palacio. Some of us want palacio to start and if he doesnot do well then pipita should come in for him.Well palacio wont be getting too much respect from the defenders which might turn out to be good for us and he may end up getting ample space.But that will also mean more marking for dimaria and messi which will totally shut the supply down for the striker. Also, remember that Pipita can score a goal out of nothing unlike palacio who lacks that skill. So it is upto sabella to decide whether to go for out of form but classy player in Higuain or a player who has barely played but has a tons of goals with inter!

Gago!! Idk what to say yes he has been slow and the weakest link in our 3 man midfield. Most of the vital tackles he has made he has end up not winning the ball and he has got away without getting a card which shows how soft he has become. Gago's track record before the worldcup has been excellent but his misktakes had led to all the the goals scored against us.!! His replacement Biglia! i cant remember the exact team but during a WCQ game he was so bad sabella brought him back to bench after 45mins but then after whenever he got chance he has played extremely well!!
Between fedrico and demichelis.. demi had an excellent last few mths with man city but he is even slower than ffez. Lukaku hazard debryne could be too much for demi to handle as he wont have the man city mid field to cover him . This match seems to be the ultimate test of sabella's coaching skills. Goodluck sabella!!


dammage7
(United Kingdom)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 10:36 AM
1
higgy is great but poor form, its like playing with 10 men, then add gago and we play with 9 men

masherano has been out best players, and we need more people like him and messi

we werent miss gago passing as he not done anyting yet, biglie can do what he did AND defend, but biglia is good at passing across field and forward, gets it out to the wings good too.

yes he is a penalty taker too which is why i think he came on, but he offers more than what gago is offering now, same for palacio and higgy


Mikail
(Malaysia)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 10:35 AM
0
What in the world people are saying Demichelis is worse than FF? Do you even watch football? The only aspect that Demichelis is worse than FF is about pace but even that is debatable. Demichelis is way ahead of FF in every other aspects of defending. He is a very good game reader, he has a good positional sense which more than make up for his lack of pace, he is a good header of the ball (defensively and offensively), he is more comfortable on the ball and he has proved himself as first choice CB in big clubs in europe such as Bayern Munich and Man City. Whereas, FF is poor on the ball, lacking in positional sense, does not read the game well and most of all he cannot even establish himself as first choice CB at Napoli.

The only worry I had on Demichelis before was he sometimes had lapses in concentration which at times proved costly. But as he gets older he has improved. And more than ever, the defense can use Demichelis leadership skill to be more organized.


Julker9
(Bangladesh)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 10:24 AM
0
@Outlaw___

"I don't know when Higuain was a good player but it must be circa 50 kilo ago"

Did you really underestimate Pipita ?? If so, than this little gift is for you!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnULvW_f71Q

Watch this video 'Hundred' times! You will get your answer!



argentina blood
(Lebanon)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 10:20 AM
1
FOR ALL ARGENTIAN FANS::
I will not talk about swiss game.. Now we face belgium different team than all other teams we met.. 1st class players.. Attacking... So fast.. Well finishing.. Good defence!!
How to play: playing 4-3-3 will take us home!! Hazard-mertenz-de brune-lukaku will kill us in counter attack! We will lose 3 to 4 if we play in this formation.
May god give sabella the wise and encourage to play 4 4 2 with a balanced game..
Now we r not facing nigeria-iran-swiss we r facing team has no mercy or space for luck to wait till last minute to let messi score or assist...

Ok.. R u with me?!

Playing 4/4/2 will make us find our balance and play for our chances:

Zaba - demic - garay - basanta

Plzzz demich instead of FF he is shaked everytime my heart blows when he is 1 to 1 or the ball with him.. So we need demich.. But i beleive that sabella in this will not change mind😙

Enzo- masc - gago - dimaria
Sooo balanced.. We can control more the pocession and the counters of belgium.. We will support more our defence..

Messi - lavezzi/ palacio
Messi should return to his postion in this game if lavezzi played making both di-maria and lavezzi our LW / RW 4-3-2-1
If palacio played messi should be behind playing 4-4-1-1

Sabella should rule out HIguain.. Its over ! He played 3 matches with last 120 min we r losing balance with no benefits... Fat - snowman- no feelings- no spirit- with nothing really nothing!!!!

Last word for sabella: Its ur last chance! If u will not read this game rather than changing formation with some encouragement u will lose! Lose 4 years with nothing to remember!!

Plzzz wake up wake up!! Messi cant help u in last minute everytime!!!
The luck will not beside us every time!! Wake uppp!!!!

Thank u all... Vamos argentina.. Comments??


Tallman
(Argentina)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 9:47 AM
0
regarding random thoughts..... gary lineker shit him self in the 1990 world cup iv only just found this out , how on earth dud this slip by me

he shat his shorts and it ran down his legs in the game he faked a foul so he coukd go down he then rubbed his ass on the pitch like a dog do on a carpet!!!

i never new this until moments ago watching the youtube of him wiping shit on the pitch was funny

dirty bastard


outlaw
(Poland)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 9:43 AM
0
@Deb Pace but even if Messi can read Higuain's movement (?) what follows from it to our team. Nothing. Zero, nil , nothing. Higuain is invisible and We may as well play with 10 players without him. He is like ballast rather.


Aslam
(Qatar)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 9:35 AM
1
Many said other than Nigeria all teams played against us so defensive..! Yes..i agree..! They don't have any chance to win if they play an open game. They know that well. We are Argentina and we have MESSI.

But my point why Nigeria did not play so defensive when they wanted a draw to ensure round of 16..? Actually i still think they would have made things difficult for us if we did not score that 3rd minute goal. I still believe that goal changed their plan and they wanted to attack to get the draw. But when we were up and have an extra midfield (by replacing Messi) their chance of creating the goal limited but the same time they heard the news that Bosnia is winning so no need to try hard.

Any team will play against us so defensive..Belgium in QF, Netherlands/Cost Rica in SF will be no difference. You can see Belgium defend deep against us and will only try to counter attack until we are upfront with a goal. If we score the first goal it will open the game just like Nigeria-Argentina game.


Tallman
(Argentina)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 9:34 AM
0
well this gago passing i havnt seen it yet , mascharano has been the passer gagos passong has been hit the first mans legs miss pass every single time

never mind di marias hit the first defender garbage passing gago has been doing it all world cup, this whole roman like slow it down thing is killing are attacks everytime gago slows the play the other team have time to close the hole gago wants to pass thru HE IS ADVERTIZING HIS EVERY MOVE like a boxer who shows his punch before throwing it even messi is doing this PUASE before the play its like the whole teams turned into roman reqellme

every time gago trys that Qer back style pass its blocked easily


outlaw
(Poland)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 9:34 AM
0
@theAbNormalOne Why We wish to change the players? Because line up in last game that was enough for Switzerland hardly. Belgium is better.


Deb
(India)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 9:26 AM
1
Put Mascherano and Biglia in, the midfield automatically gets solid. And then don't do much with the defence. Just replace Rojo with Basanta. And instruct Zabaleta, Basanta and Fernandez to pick cards if required. The rule does protect them from 1 yellow after the quarter finals.

Yes, we will miss the passing of Gago. But there are advantages too. Biglia can be a good box-to-box player if need be. He has shown that in the past. Plus with a defensive double pivot in place, Di Maria and Lavezzi will have much more freedom to burst forward.

I want Higuain to get one more chance. Not because I believe he will suddenly score a hat-trick and make us win, but because Messi knows him well. He can read Higuain's movements, can combine with him well (if you remember that goal in Bosnia match). Palacio can come in later anyway.

The world will come to an end for me if anything wrong happens. I couldn't make myself watch the dying minutes of that Switzerland game. Just the thoughts of going into a tie-breaker made me half dead. Somehow we pulled it through. I think we can do it again. Let Belgium play their game as they wish. We just need to get our game right.

There's something called heavyweight team tag. We are 2 times champions, does that mean nothing? Wilmots says he doesn't know how are we going to tackle Belgium. Well I hope he knows how to tackle Argentina.


Batigol
(Hong Kong)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 9:22 AM
1
Most of you want change here. But do you remember in wc 2002, after we lost to England, we changed our formation, players like Veron, Simeone and Kily were removed from the starting lineup. We needed a win, but we almost lost the match.

For this year World Cup , after Spain lost to Netherlands 5-1, they removed players like Xavi, Pique. In the end they lost 2-0 to chile.

This more or less proves that changing the starting lineup will not actually help.
Everyone need to get use to the new formation and new personnel.
It may not be a good idea after all.


Mikail
(Malaysia)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 8:58 AM
0
I have this funny feeling since the start of this tournament that the world will see a Messicanazo in front of the jubilant Argentinos and heartbroken Brazillians comes July 13th.

So far the only good indication is Messi is having a very good tournament. Hopefully the rest of his teammates will wake up soon.


theAbNormalOne
(India)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 8:57 AM
0
I think we should keep Gago,Lavezzi and Higuain...We saw a different Argentina in WCQ,why???like kid says,they have balls.Guys, it is the first game we are getting the chance to express our self.The real Argentina,the Argentina on a spring.All those 4 teams have been pressing us till the end.
But what you all wish is to change the players.Our formation and player selection is made for teams like Belgium.
Belgium coach says Argentina lacks balance.The same one who got Fellaini and Vermalen in his starting line-up.Let him say anything he wish, after all its his last chance to bad mouth us, after the match he won't be in the picture...


dammage7
(United Kingdom)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 8:56 AM
0
i agree wit people here, no need to fully refurbish the defence

Belgium game all wrong for demichelis
basanta will fit into LB easily. only other options is campa on the right, but sabella never did that during swiss game so likely basanta in.

in all honesty apart from rojo, i do not see sabella chnaging the team

he will keep the same team vs Swiss as they played last 3 games together and basanta will come for rojo

as much as we speculate and say this guy should be picked or dropped, nothing will change, nothing will change cos of sabella


Aslam
(Qatar)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 8:48 AM
0
I really surprised by the inclusion of Zabaleta in the best x1 for the round of 16 by whoscored.com. We have 2 other players included. None other than Messi and Dimaria.

I am watching almost every match of Zabaleta at leat for 5 years now. I never seen him playing this bad. He is a symbol of full of energy and run (but now when the WC started suddenly he looks tired and old..!!). But i did not see anything of his flashes in this WC so far. May be Sabella is limiting him in deep position as he knows Fede is not in form and any error by Zabaleta may result in goal.


Aslam
(Qatar)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 8:35 AM
0
@Haman & Mafioso, I agree with Fede...there.
Fede has some bad games. I wanted him out of starting x1. But putting Demichelis in his place all of sudden in this stage will only invite more trouble. The reality is we don't have trusted option on the bench. Garay and Fede are playing together a long time now. They have 2 clean sheet in this WC. We have to trust them. Only the missing thing is Fede's form. One good match will change his form and confidence. And he will be very useful to mark lone Belgum striker (Origi or Lukaku). And if we reach SF..he can handle well van persie too.


Mafioso
(Bangladesh)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 8:26 AM
1
Sabella subbed Gago with Biglia against Swiss not because Gago was not effective but penalty shoot was a likely scenario.In that case,Biglia is good PK taker.I have seen Biglia to take PKs with Anderlecht and they were good penalties with power and placement.And ofcourse Bigia is a mentally strong person.

Other good penalty takers we have is Maxi and Garay.Maxi's shooting ability is well known and yes Garay can take great penalties with his powerful legs.


We have Messi,Higuain,Palacio, Di Maria to take them as usual,though I'm not so convinced about Di Maria.


As Romero is looking sharp and good penalty takers at disposal,we should do good at penalty shootout if situation demands so.But remembering the 2006 and copa experiences,avoiding PKs should be our top priority,at any cost !(ofcourse not by loosing in 90 minutes :D )


Mafioso
(Bangladesh)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 8:07 AM
3
I agree with haman.

There was a time when people were crying to see Demichelis be dropped.Fernandez played overall a good game against Swiss.He can do better.Against a fast and tricky Origi FF is the best option we have.Campa and Demi both are slower.

Sabella won't start Maxi again,believe me.Maxi had a very quiet game against Bosnia.After that Maxi wasn't even used as a sub.

Moving Zabaleta to LB and Campa to RB won't bring any positive result.Now we have 2 players out of position.Replacing Rojo with Basanta is much more simpler idea.Basanta played as LB for us before and did great defensively.

We can only change two players,those are Gago and Higuan. Replacing Gago with perez and Higuain with Palacio is safer idea.They can't do any worse if not better.Just 2 players will be different,but system will be overall the same.


But Replacing FF with Demi,Campa at RB,Zabaleta at LB with a completely new midfield with two new face Maxi+Biglia is just a plain suicide especially at QF.I don't expect Sabella to go for such major changes.Sabella can be stubborn at a time,but he is no dumb.


dollon
(Bangladesh)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 7:35 AM
0
argentina is not usa...argentina is argentina 100% better than usa....now pressur on belgium...dont worry belgium could not nothing....


dammage7
(United Kingdom)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 7:31 AM
1
gago is picked to link wit messi, but god, even biglia and perez can follow those orders!! what about defending, running, dribbling, chasing back, has he forgot these orders, no wonder he was in bad form for boca,


people say or if gago higgy poor 60 mins take them off, what if we are 1-2-3 goals behind, why wait until we are in shit situation to decide take them off, lets not get into that position in the first place.


on paper higgy is master class, but on form he is not. look at spain, costa and xavi, on paper top players but form is poor


dollon
(Bangladesh)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 7:25 AM
0
......................Romero..............
......jaba......f.fannandez....Mascarano...E.gray

..A;Farnandez........Enzo.......Bigla.....A.maria

..........Messi.........Heguin...


outlaw
(Poland)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 7:23 AM
0
f We will play good at last it will be with this line up I believe:

Romero
Campagnaro,Basanta,Garay,Rojo
Perez/Biglia, Masche, Di Maria
Lavezzi,Messi,Palacio

So, against Belgium We have a fat chance...


outlaw
(Poland)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 7:23 AM
0
I don't know when Higuain was a good player but it must be circa 50 kilo ago


haman
(Bahrain)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 7:18 AM
2
If we stick to reality, bringing in Martin is worse than having Fede on the pitch, way worse!
Since, our main problem is slowness and no defender is slower than Demichelis.

Second, having Maxi in our midfield is another mistake if we opt to a better link up with Messi, the answer is Enzo Perez.

I don't really see that Gago was that bad, he had one bed performance, but the rest of minutes he played, he was linking up well. Though he is a one half man now.

Starting with Higuain wouldn't be bad, since we are running out of options and we have no #9 in the team. Palacio would be more effective in the second half, like he was against the Swiss.


Sunil
(Bangladesh)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 7:15 AM
0
Good thoughts.....
But I think Gago should be replaced by Biglia or Enzo....and Ricardo ALVAREZ should get chance to play after 1st half....
Love Argentina...Best of Luck..!!!


dollon
(Bangladesh)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 7:10 AM
0
why every time we blame f. farnandez.this is not fair.he is very good in the air..please check who scored.com..last 4 match his average 7.30...solid average..we need f,farnandez...


joy
(Bangladesh)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 7:04 AM
3
About game vs Swiss:
1) Please don’t be too harsh on Higuain. He covered 13.5 km which is the most for an Argentine player, yet received only 23 passes which is the least for an Argentine player (apart from the sub). Yes, he looked slow and dull but pace was never his jem. His ineffectiveness is for tactical reason. He’s a penalty box poacher and needs to be fed.

2) Messi was isolated not by the Swiss but our own players. Sabella pushed Maria and Lavezzi to the sides and Hig upfront to make space for Messi in the middle. This backfired as Messi became isolated.

3) No one was helping others and tried to run the show by himself ( maria and lavezzi comes to mind). Many a time I saw when messi was closed down by 2/3 players, no one came forward to help him, to receive the ball from him and to take the advantage of opposition being 2 or 3 players down. Some stared standing from far, some made ridiculous forward runs only to make the angle impossible to pass. This team needs to learn when and who to come towards the ball and when & who to make forward runs.
3) Gago couldn't create any pass. His passing was neat but too simple. We got nothing through the middle.
4) Gago is still a 60 min player. Biglia did nothing special but to inject some energy as his legs were fresher.

Next Game:
1) Please play our usual game. We are becoming a Barca. No more possession based football. Sit deep, let them attack and go counter.
2) I want Ricky in place of Lavezzi. We need someone who can create a pass. Lavezzi is better when coming off the bench.

3) I’m still with Higuain to start.

4) Not sure about Gago or Biglia or Enzo. It’s a very very tough and close call.

5) Lastly, don’t get panicked. Every team is in their usual form as were before WC and still struggling. Only Nederlands is in 400% of their pre-wc form and we are 20% of our pre-wc form. Our forwards are only to blame, and It’s a matter of time they hit the paddle as they say, form is temporary but class is permanent. Its all mental and tactical there. No need for any drastic change. Small tweaks like better communication, helping each other, more one-to-one passing, sitting dip and creating space for others, change of pace….that’s all we need.

Holy shit, that was long.
Sorry.


El papita
(India)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 6:58 AM
0
@batigol : well said batigol...the team should not be changed. Even if most players are not in form the good thing is messi is in great form..and all the other players are gradually improving game after game...as for demichellis , if u have seen him in city games he has been too slow and often gives away the ball away ..!!! Only change is if aguero is fit he shud be in for lavezzi..federico shud be retained..By the grace of God we will win the world cup.
Love you Argentina...All the best boys..Go for it..


joy
(Bangladesh)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 6:57 AM
0
An interesting stat on distance covered by players (position-wise)against Switzerland.

Mashcherano: 13.25 Km; Berhami: 14.08 km

Gago+Biglia: 13.7 km; Inler: 14.46km

Maria: 12.6 km; Xaka+Fernandez= 16.4 km

Lavezzi+Palacio: 14.7; Dzemaili+Mehmedi: 14.7

Messi: 10.7 km; Shaqiri: 14.6 km

Higuain:13.5 km; DRMIC + SEFEROVIC: 14.4 km

Zabaleta:13 km; Lichestein:14.5 km


outlaw
(Poland)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 6:54 AM
0
People who still want Higuain are out of their mind or just blind.


dammage7
(United Kingdom)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 6:52 AM
1
Zaba - Campa - Garay - Basanta

---biglia--masherano--di mria

-----------messi-----
---lavaezzi--------palacios

belgium are fast team so we need much pace as we can.

Campa for fede is good as he can help protect zaba. basanta at left back is fine as he is faster than camp and strong so will help keep mertens at bay and can go up from time to time

biglia or perez is a must for gago, we are playing with 9 men with gago and higaun aswell, once palacio and perez/bigli aplay we will have 11 men and play like 11 men. argentina have been poor for this reason that we only 9 players on the pitch


LaTiNo
(Argentina)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 6:37 AM
0
Good plan. Something HAS to change to see if the team chemistry comes back. The current system does NOT work.

It's time to gamble!

ps, The 2002 team was great, but I think the 1994 was better! Too bad they killed Diego or we would have won the WC!


JZ4
(India)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 6:32 AM
0
Accepting reality isn't negative or pessimistic.. not sure about the bus was parked or not but we were playing shite and Zaba,Hig,Gago,FF are all in poor form.
anyway one thing is for sure, we'll never gonna defeat this Belgium team with same players n same tactics of previous games


Batigol
(Hong Kong)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 6:29 AM
0
Changes for the better is always a good idea.
However, to me, changing players and formation in quarter final is actually a risk to take.

Players like Demichelis and Perez have not played even a single minute, will they get panicked for starting their first match in such an important match?

How can you confirm the new formation will work? Are we going to test the formation in such an important match?

Our 4-3-3 formation has been working throughout the qualifiers and friendlies, the problem now we face is the form of our players, higuain and di maria has been bad, but they are improving gradually, aguero was bad too, I am not sure if he is going to play any more part.
Another reason is that teams like Iran and Switzerland parked the bus against us, which we have not encountered this during our qualifiers and friendly.

If I am Sabella, I will not change the players and formation, instead, I will try to improve the form of players like higuain, gago and even aguero, at the same time, keep messi in good shape and hope that he will continue to create miracles.

I was disappointed with the form of some of our players, I am not confident that we can go all the way, but World Cup always need luck, Italy could win the World Cup in 2006, why can't we?


hubber
(Zimbabwe)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 6:18 AM
1
Our team is lacking dribblers,iam an African who have been supporting Argentina since 1994 when i was 9 years,i watched all world cups but this Argentina is not having good dribblers,if we can have 2 or 3 dribblers in the team we will be untouchable,however i wish the team to lift up the crucial cup
We mustnt make a lot of changes but i think Gago is very slow enzo perez can bring a difference


baker
(India)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 6:07 AM
1
This is going to be our third continuous match at Mid noon , hope our players will get through this.


di3z_dion
(Albania)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 6:05 AM
0
Basanta a 1000 times over Demichelis. We have lost agility in the defense with Rojo missing, but we don't certainly need defenders who have the moving grace of an elephant.


Batigol9
(Estonia)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 6:03 AM
0
Donät bring Demichelis in! NONONO! He is two times slower than FF, Hazard and De Bruyne would destroy him. Let's not forget, that Garay has been bad also!


Richard
(Netherlands)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 5:59 AM
0
Let's hope Sabella has some similar thoughts!
Otherwise he will surely start thinking if he watches the first 15 minutes of Argentina vs Switzerland and compares those to the first 15 minutes of Belgium vs USA. Argentina started at a snail's pace whereas the brigade from Brussels stormed out of the gate. The Belgian newspapers are pretty confident they will hammer Argentina on Saturday.

We have played 4 matches up to 40% of our ability, according to Maradona. That's an exceptional feature. With Belgium and the Netherlands coming up we have to start playing at a much higher pace, be more effective in front of goal, strengthen midfield with Biglia and Perez and not lose concentration after a goal. Nigeria and the Swiss almost used our lack of concentration after a celebration.

Beating Belgium is not impossible, but there have to be 11 sharp and fit players on the pitch and not only eight or nine .


di3z_dion
(Albania)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 5:58 AM
0
Having Demichelis in our defense, it well brings solidity, but my nightmare are the blunders he is prone to...

My nightmare is that he loses the ball before passing, or slips on the ground and Eden Hazard or Lukaku is there to gain momentum and .... god save us.

Rest of the thoughts I completely agree.


HollywoodHayat
(United States)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 5:57 AM
0
Good thoughts. I think the players on this team can help and play a role in Argentina winning the title. My only concern is will the team finally play to their potential late in the tournament? Or will they just play it out the way it is since in the back of their heads its been working.

Also, Zabaleta has seen the scouting report on Hazzard so many times so id keep him at RB and have Campa play LB since he has experience guarding Mertens in Serie A.



Mafioso
(Bangladesh)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 5:57 AM
0
According to Independent,Argentina has good chance to win the world cup and they rated Argentina's chance more than any other QF team.They said,

"Lionel Messi has delivered, but hardly anyone else has and he is carrying the team. However, while the attack has misfired the Albiceleste have been stronger defensively than anticipated. Other than Messi their big advantages are huge support and that they have not played in the hot north.

Star men: Messi, Mascherano

Win rating: 7/10 "





http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/worldcup/world-cup-2014-who-look-like-winners-argentina-belgium-brazil-colombia-costa-rica-france-germany-or-netherland-9580304.html


baker
(India)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 5:49 AM
1
Demi for FF , i dont think that is good idea either


viva arg
(India)
Posted on 7/3/2014 at 5:47 AM
1
Good thoughts

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