Football News Posted by Roy (Roy Nemer) Friday, September 13, 2013 Go To Comments Poll: How has SABELLA done so far as manager? How has SABELLA done so far as manager? - Great job 29.0% (31) - Good job 56.1% (60) - Decent 12.1% (13) - Bad job 1.9% (2) - Terrible job 0.9% (1) View all votes (107) Please Log In to vote. If you are not currently a member, Register Here. Comments You must be logged in to add a comment. Click Here to log in. If you dont have an account and would like to join Mundo's community, Register Here baker (India) Posted on 9/20/2013 at 2:48 AM 0 the problem with many people here is , they take out individual players and compare with other NT . we are discussing about whole team , so far sabella manage us to give good results . some games may not be eye pleasing but we got the results. i will say he done good job for me , once we won WC , i will vote for great job... Leoaimar (India) Posted on 9/17/2013 at 4:59 AM 1 @kid: Your comments doesnt look like saying you were a player lol... KidultHood (United States) Posted on 9/16/2013 at 3:49 PM 0 flying spk I do watch football..But the question is, what do you know about football? Have you ever played for a team? I do, several times. Just stick to cricket friend..You don't have a clue what you're talking about other than watching some games on satellite tv or cable tv. Leoaimar (India) Posted on 9/16/2013 at 5:59 AM 1 @kidulthood: lol...watch some football dude.. Istiaque (Bangladesh) Posted on 9/15/2013 at 3:30 PM 0 oh I just Forgot another plan B>> Claudio Yacob (because he is better than Mascherano, somebody here said that :P) Istiaque (Bangladesh) Posted on 9/15/2013 at 3:28 PM 0 The "plan B" IS :1. Icardi (real hot plan B because of his goal last night)2. Pastore (a little less hot plan B)3. Tevez 4. Ansaldi / Insua to be played as left back (because there are absolutely the best left backs in the world)If the above 4 criteria are being fulfilled, it would be called a plan B ;) Jack! (United States) Posted on 9/15/2013 at 1:16 PM 1 Can somebody enlighten me on what this "Plan B" is? Is it if Messi gets hurt, what is his plan B? Look, if Messi gets hurt, it is O-V-E-R, no matter how wonderful Sabella's "Plan B" is.... Is "Plan B" what if Di Maria,Higuain,Messi and Kun don't score a goal? What's next? Just enlighten me what this plan B is suppose to be, please. haman (Bahrain) Posted on 9/15/2013 at 6:21 AM 0 @Leandro- The players played their heart out, they played to prove themselves as worthy as their mate in the sky blue & white. Sabella is still trying who should play instead of who and didn't reach his final settlement yet!When you are in knockout stage in the real test, there's no place for trying out. Every single movement, should be confirmed in the mind of the coach.Add to that using all your weapons and trying to get the best out of them. Available options now, wont be available later! Kutz (India) Posted on 9/15/2013 at 5:54 AM 0 @hamman spot on .... Leandro (United States) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 11:28 PM 0 @Haman, from your points.. I beg to differ in the lack of plan B. He has played several games severly handicapped (Higuain, Messi, Masch, FF, Garay, etc) and his improvised formations did well. There is no plan B, Sabella has a system that all the players understand and fit into and most pieces are interchangeable. The team played largely the same with or without any of the starting 11 in the lineup. No need for a plan B when plan A is so mutable. SulaV (Canada) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 9:48 PM 0 @hamancouldnt agree more! haman (Bahrain) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 6:59 PM 3 Sabella did a great job in terms of results. And a good job in terms of display.He built a team, unlike his predecessors.He came up with Fantastic four, after revealing the Argentine Messi.He improved the defense and introduced the twin towers.But,He didn't find his plan B yet.He didn't solve the LB issue convincingly yet.He didn't come up with the best subs yet, and theres time for it.In conclusion, we can say his plan A, is great, while the B plan still needs to get improved! SulaV (Canada) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 6:37 PM 0 we should never underestimate the germans like maradona did... @arg2014our defense looks very solid... i am more worried about the back ups for our defenders Kenneth (United States) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 6:14 PM 1 Haha 79 comments and 80% of it is from like two people, just relax and enjoy the success, let Sabella do the hard work. Deb (India) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 5:22 PM 0 Why are people so impatient here. Of course Sabella needs to prepare the subs bench now, but he has got almost a whole season for that. The first team, including defense and including Rojo, can beat any team in the world with their normal game. Period. Let's not argue this team is not unbeatable. No team in today's football is unbeatable. arg2014 (Canada) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 4:55 PM 2 Lesson learned through the years, Germany could struggle in the group stage against inferior teams, but DO NOT EVER underestimate the power of the German machine, ask Maradona. I'm not a fan of Germany, but I'm not that fool to hide the bitter truth about their fantastic training system. Germany is a school in football so is Brazil and Argentina with Italy. Unless Germany meets Brazil in early knock out....expect to see them in the final four as usual. KidultHood (United States) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 4:03 PM 1 Argentina did not have a great defense in 1986 they had decent defenders but they got the job done. Germany is in the same boat as Argentina, they haven't won a major tournament in ages..I'll back Argentina to win inBrazil than previous past wc..Germany peaked in 2010 and 2012 yet they failed I just dont see germany winning in Brazil..Who they have up front? ok their main man Klose who will turn 36 in Brazil...I dont see Klose making an impact in Brazil like past wc..Gomez? yayaa..Good but not great striker..Hummels is overrated, Boateng is a ok defender he tend to make mistake..Germany has Lahm for RB but also struggle at LB the guy they have ( I forget is name.. Di Maria made him look average in the game played in Munich)..You people acting as if Germany is God gift to football..I'll take Argentina to win in Brazil over any European team..And As I said Brazil is the only team standing between Argentina and a 3rd wc in 2014..Holland defense would get crush by Argentina, so will Italy and Spain. arg2014 (Canada) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 3:09 PM 0 People here talk about big nation football rubbish, insult big teams with WC history....like "if we meet Germany next time, we will hammer them"...."Italy defence sucks", "Brazil is not that strong to win the WC", yada yada......we just started building a team, still haven't solve other puzzles in the sub department.....Other teams have coaches who worked with them for years and years. Brazil employed everyone in their federation and put under alarm just to bring them a glory especially after the cost of hosting, people and media urged the entire NT to be in their best performance.....some other teams preparing a big surprise like Belgium....never underestimate teams like Portugal, USA, Ghana, and England, Uruguay even when they struggle qualifying. Real competition always reflects a different route than the qualifying compaigne. Even when a team starts very humble and poor in the group stage could surprise the world in the knockout stages....history proved it. arg2014 (Canada) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 2:59 PM 0 When we talk about defence, that includes goalkeeping, not just defenders performance. So 2006 failure in penalty shootout, was considered a bad defending. That was why analysts label Argentina with a mediocre defending.....We always have good attacking power, but in all past WC, the defence was our flaw....so reputation has a build up. sujat (Bangladesh) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 2:49 PM 0 @kidulthood @Brazil yes we beat them ....but if you can remember messi's goal was the only shot to the post in the whole match..... moreover that was under batista's reign .....not under sabella's'... you must have forgotten that. Under sabella we have played Brazil only once. and that was 4- 3.@Germany..... German were reduced to 10 men after 30 minutes .before that the result was 0 - 0 . Germany played 10 min for the rest of 60 minutes . Imagine 10 men Argentina is playing against 11 men Germany. Dear God I can't even imagine that.about your third comment .....Venezuela defeated Argentina ...and Argentina defeated Germany...would you say Venezuela would beat Germany?? Games don't follow logic like this...... If Germany play 5 times against Sweden very few people would bet against Germany.... KidultHood (United States) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 2:16 PM 0 @sujat Argentina defeated Brazil in Qatar 1 - 0 with David Luiz, Thiago Silva, Rameires, Neymar, Ronaldinho etc..So what's your point?The 3 - 1 win over Germany only Scheiwny, Lahm and Neuer were missing but a strong German team conceded 4 goals in qualifying vs Sweden in Berlin, the same Sweden team Argentina defeat 3 - 2 in Stockholm later.Messi, Aquero, Zabelta were also missing for Argentina vs Italy..Messi >>>> Balo & a 36 year old Pirlo combined.if Jurgen Klopp say Germany defend at the moment is bad it is bad..And I was not calling Sabella great. I said he was doing a great job with the team..I trust Sabella with is tactics.@Arg2014 Argentina doesn't concede a lot of goals in world cup game play except the one off vs Germany in 2010..So I don't know what you're talking about. sujat (Bangladesh) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 1:09 PM 2 @kidultHood With due respect... No one criticize italy,germany and spain teams defense ...these teams are tournament teams .They may have not played satisfactorily in friendly but people will definitely include them in the world cup favorite because of their past result......in the last 20 years each of these teams have won tournament including world cups .Look at us what the hell we have won in these years. ?????In the last 20 years Argentina had been the biggest choker. Argentina has beaten Germany before 2010 world cup .Germany could not even produced any shots in the goal before 80th minute.....and what happened later. ???? Under batista we beat spain 4-0 .Does it carry any significance??Some people are mentioning we have beaten every aforementioned big team ....Lets seeAgainst Brazil (4 - 3). Brazil fielded their U - 23 defense .Remember no thiago silva no david luiz , no dani alvez... I highly doubt that scoreline would have been same if those player would have been played there .... Against Germany : (3 - 1) Even we had beat them against their full strength team i would not take that result as it is a friendly .But they played with 10 men for the majority of the play.Against Italy (2 - 1) I would accept that result as a even because they did not have balotelli and pirlo (few people have mentioned about pirlos absence in the match).We also did not have messi and some key players . so the result was fair for us.A team like Argentina with this squad should qualify with any decent coach . If anyone say sabella has done a great job ..... If any one say this result great .... would he become the greatest coach of all time if he win the world cup 2014???? In my opinion no coach should be labelled great without any major tournament achievement Which sabella has not done yet ....Look at brazil their new coach got only several months and smashed everyone in the confederation match .That is a achievement .Nevertheless I am happy with our progress specially our defense .... BUt SABELLAS REAL TEST IS YET TO COME...... arg2014 (Canada) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 12:59 PM 2 @KidultHood, of course the team is improving no question about it, but I'm not going to give greatness status to Sabella when I witnessed some flaws along the way. As for Argentina defence, it's way better now, but we still have bad reputation in our defence and yes you will hear people talk how bad our defence is although spain, Italy, etc all caught up in the moment with bad defending lately, but the thing is those teams had bad season lately, Argentina was screwed in defence back to 1994, prior to that we had solid defence. Besides being notorious for our bad defence, last world cup we made a record since no team conceded 4 goals in the QF I think since the 50's if I'm not mistaken.....that was really bad. We all cheer for Argentina, but being bias to the point of blindness, you will get hit with a disappointment. Keep it low key buddy. el principe (United States) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 12:27 PM 0 @arg2014That's why I did not give Sabella a 9 out of 10 because he needs a better selection. As for the fantastic four, well what I meant was treat them like the fantastic four of Brazil in WC 2002 or WC 2006. Those guys of Ronaldo, Adriano, Kaka, Ronaldinho, etc rarely got subbed. KidultHood (United States) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 12:27 PM 3 arg2014 This dude seems like he want Sabella and the NT to walk on water and if they do that he still wouldn't be please..Too many ifs, ifs, ifs man. Just sit back and watch Sabella do his great tactician work. I'm please with the team no matter what people say.Do we need improvements? yes, which team doesn't need improvement? I trust the defense..But what I don't get with people is that, since Argentina had that bad quarter at the 2010 wc, people been dragging that defeat over the defenders head as if they're the same back line. Argentina has improved since then and is way solid at the back for 2 years now. Spain defeated Italy 4 - 0 at the Euro final 2012 but I don't here people saying, Italy has a bad defense..Italy also concede 10 goals at the Confederation Cup; 4 vs Brazil, 3 vs Japan and 2 vs Uruguay, the other 1 was vs Mexico but yet I don't hear people criticizing Italy defenders.. Spain got 3 goal scored against them vs Brazil because of scrappy defending and most recently conceding 2 goals vs Chile yet I hear no one criticizing their defense.. Germany out of all the top team had the worse defensive record in 2012/2013 yet I heard no one criticizing them except for the Dortmund coach Jurgen Klopp you said ''the German defense is really bad.'' I love my Argentina in thick and thin, the team is doing great. The defenders are playing great, we have a talented midfield and a world class strike force second to none. VIVA Argentina wc 2014...Its also funny how some people haven watch Argentina play but the first thing they say whenever Argentina win is oh, they don't have any defenders (LOL)... LM10 (United States) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 12:25 PM 0 Messi not scoring as much for argentina doesnt have anything to do with the presence of Higuain, Di Maria and Aguero IMO. Perfect example is Ronaldo with Real Madrid under Mourinh... they were all scoring 20+ goals bt that didnt stop Ronald to be dominant although the pk, free-kicks play a small role in that..Yes Barcelona doesnt have high scorers like Argentina bt 1) they always are among the top 3 team that score the most goal every season 2) Everone in the team is scoring even the bench (except for Mash) 3) Messi with the top # of assist (its obviously goin somewhere). they have a well defined attacking system Leandro (United States) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 11:26 AM 2 @Arg2014, I respect your opinion. I do disagree with it, I think you are being too harsh/unrealistic. What erks me is that you are sounding defensive. You are calling others on doing "lazy voting" does not help your argument. If anyone here is making multiple accounts to troll the vote rating, then they are either Brasilian, English or waaaaaay to involved in this friendly forum. KidultHood (United States) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 10:57 AM 0 Deb If Barcelona had players like Higuain, Aquero and DI Maria with players like Lavezzi or Tevez coming off the bench then Messi could take it easy..The fact of the matter nobody else seems to score for Barcelona on a regular basis but Messi. I remember that open goal Pedro miss at the Bernabeu vs Real Madrid..Pedro is average for a team like Barcelona..Sanchez is good but for some reason he never score..Neymar is just coming into his own. Xavi and Iniesta rarely score goals.. arg2014 (Canada) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 10:55 AM 0 @el principe: you stated: "I think Great Job and Good Job are not enough. I voted for "great job".Ok nice to hear, but then you contradicted yourself with this statement : "What does that tell you? That means his starting line up is way better than the reserves. That means Sabella needs to do a better job of selecting his back ups".Well that was enough to rate him lower since having good reliable subs is a major factor in succeeding as a coach. That was what most of the guys here have been argued about for his strategy.Then there was also another contradiction and unreasonable point brought up when you said about fab 4 :"So I don't think Sabella needs to subs any of them in the WC. That is the answer...". How is that possible, if someone is suspended, injured, if we have to shift plans when meeting certain teams and we need more defensive and midfield force. What if one player got a red card and we have to minimize the attacking numbers and supply other areas to balance the team of 10 men? have you considered that? forget about all that, what if one of the fab 4 starts the WC with a bad form which is possible....that was why we insist on having strong rich bench to avoid the hassle in all these scenarios. Kutz (India) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 10:52 AM 0 I am glad we have this poll after every match it brings about a healthy discussion which is needed on any forum , I voted decent which does not translate to a "hater " or "bad " it's just what it is decent/ average . And kudos to el principe your collecting and interpretation n of data / stats is always very Interesting .. Keep up the good work ... asjbest (Indonesia) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 9:45 AM 0 Sabella will do a great job if he gives cabalerro and otamendi to prove whether they are worth to play for NT.. Please improve your defense if we want to beat the likes of Germany, Spain, Netherland, and Brazil. el principe (United States) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 9:01 AM 1 I think Great Job and Good Job are not enough. We need one more category like Excellent Job or something. I voted for "great job" but if it's a rating thing, I would say 8.5 out of 10, not a 9 yet. 9 or above would be an "excellent job" to me.The reason is this. I was looking at all of our games under Sabella. Sabella scored 53 and conceded 21 goals in all matches he played (around 24 games of qualification + friendlies). I do not count, however, the domestic games like those matches vs. Brazil.After counting, Sabella's team scored:1. 29 goals and conceded 8 in the FIRST 45 minutes2. 24 goals and conceded 13 in the LAST 45 minutesWhat does that tell you? That means his starting line up is way better than the reserves. That means Sabella needs to do a better job of selecting his back ups.I know he's improved by selecting the likes of Lamela, Banega, or Ansaldi lately instead of Sosa, Brana, or Barcos but overall, the stats show you that we are weaker in the second half and that is not good at all in a tournament...Another factor that we need to consider. The 4 players who have contributed the most offensively are the fantastic four: Messi, Di Maria, Aguero, and Higuain. Earlier in Sabella's coaching days, he rarely used all 4 together. So earlier in his first 1-15 games, the fantastic four played few minutes together, especially in the second half. Then after his 12th-13th games or so, the fantastic four started to start and scored a bunch in the first half! Usually one or two of them would have gotten substituted, the result was the opponents started to score against us.Maybe the question is who can replace the likes of Di Maria, Messi, Aguero, and Higuain for us? So I don't think Sabella needs to subs any of them in the WC. That is the answer... arg2014 (Canada) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 6:12 AM 1 Also still our discussion on here is more valuable than the numbers you see next to "great" or "good"...this is a cyber world, and you know you can vote using multiple accounts....so don't take the numbers so seriously, besides some by passers can come to this webpage and vote without knowing anything about football since they just watch hockey. possible too. I think it's always better to an insight about possible spoilers in the process, also give some time for anything before crown a few achievements with greatness. arg2014 (Canada) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 6:02 AM 1 @Arpon Khan, mate: its called a poll, survey, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion based on how much they know/wach/observe football and the vision they have, factors calculated when voting. Some voters just go with the norm and say this is great without doing some homework, it's called lazy voting. Some other people just say this is bad also without doing homework because they like bachlash or to go against the trend.....it's hard to know the motive of each voter, regardless it is still at the end a personal opinion. At least I've being brave here and pointing out multiple reasons why Sabella's work is still decent so far, and how Decent is still considered a good voting by my own standard. Istiaque (Bangladesh) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 5:38 AM 0 @dev: When playing for barcelona lio is always THE last man in attack, here for us he is not. He plays in the complete different positions in both places, that's why he doesn't scores as many goals as he does scores for barca. Having said that, it's good that lio plays in the semi midfield, semi forward position, because of our abundance in goal scorers. i.e. higuain, kun (they score a total number of 40 goals together), where in barca if you put lio aside, there are no one!!! Arpon (Brazil) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 5:20 AM 0 NEGATIVE: It's very frustrating to see some people thinking Sabella has done so far "Decent" as a manager. My question is "What was the criteria to be a 'Excellent' job so far Sabella has done??"It just a crime!------------------------------------------------------------------------------------POSITIVE: This isn't first time when this poll is hold. There were a decent numbers of "Decent" and some "Bad" answers. It's decreasing in numbers. It's very positive!!!! Deb (India) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 5:18 AM 0 Lionel Messi scores two or three goals at ease with Barcelona against any opponent, good or bad. And that after wasting / taking lightly another 2 or 3 good chances of scoring. That's how deadly he is for Barca. So when someone says finally he has started replicating his club form for Argentina, that's not quite true. For Argentina, there are like 8-10 good counters per match that he participates in at most. He scores one or two on some occasions. Sometimes he doesn't score. He just bulldozes past defenders, rushes to the danger spot and passes to higuain, dimaria or aguero. that's how he plays for argentina. so although in both cases he is brilliant, but in barca he would score 3 out of 4 goals without breaking a sweat whereas in argentina, we might have 4 goals in a match and still lionel messi does not score.Having said that, Sabella has really shaped him well in the NT with a good freedom of space and options. Kudos for that!! arg2014 (Canada) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 5:06 AM 1 @KidultHood, that link doesn't support Sabella, in fact it reflects how he actually feels about Messi, his daughter just repeats whats she was hearing from her dad. Praying that Tata doesn't overuse Messi, is not the case....injury could happen anytime, during training, anywhere....we depend on Messi as a matter of fact. Sabella didn't have much to do except let the magic of Messi do wonder."Palacio is more technical than Higuain", that was bizarre, it made my day though. Whats Sabella's cousin is telling next?You still compare Sabella to Maradona and Batista...well who said both did a decent job. I would vote for Maradona as bad job, Batista as Terrible job....Sabella got a decent job so far which is way better. FYI.One more thing, getting second in ranking, yes can give us a seaded spot, easy group, etc....that is not accomplishment if you ask me....in 2010 we had a seaded spot, the easiest group ever, but we failed down the road. The real accomplishment is when you build a strong team in all positions with a second team that can perform on the same level, this is not easy though in football, only a few coaches in the world can do it, Sabella still did average so far "decent", I must give him a credit too, I would exaggerate if I say it was so good or great....by the way the word "decent" is not bad scoring. I don't know why everyone was pointing the gun at me..... fotobirajesh (India) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 4:15 AM 0 Sabella has definitely done a good job. We are no.2 now in world ranking and we have already qualified and are unbeaten for a long time. The moment he wins us the WC, we could say he has not done a great job, but brilliant job. I just hope, he will improve our bench. shOvwar (United States) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 2:46 AM 0 Sabella's daughter is not only on crack but also high and intoxicated at the same time...I hope it does not affect the relationship between Sabella and Messi...thats the last thing we need before the WC....Sabella's daughter needs to shut the eff up. Someone should give her a spank. shOvwar (United States) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 2:38 AM 0 Here is an interesting stat. As we know that the 7 seedings in the WC would be based on the Fifa Ranking (8th seed would go to the host) I calculated the rankings for the next period if all these teams wins the next 2 games. I put the teams in the fifa ranking order upto no 10. Spa-1481 Arg-1425 Ger-1295 Ita-1265 Col-1202 Bel-1249 Uru-1293 Bra-1075 Ned-1120 Cro-1130 Dinucci (Argentina) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 2:22 AM 0 Sabellas daughter is on crack! Leandro (United States) Posted on 9/14/2013 at 12:21 AM 0 Haters are always gonna hate.. Jack! (United States) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 10:26 PM 0 La 12 will be heard in Brazil. No doubt! KidultHood (United States) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 10:18 PM 0 Argentina and the USA will have the most tourist at the 2014 world cup..Talk about the 12th man its going to be 1978 all over again in Brazil 2014. SulaV (Canada) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 10:05 PM 0 nice pic of sabella! KidultHood (United States) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 8:04 PM 0 You guy should read what Sabella daughter was saying..I don't agree one bit..http://as.com/diarioas/2013/09/13/english/1379092448_209900.html pablo.d (New Zealand) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 7:55 PM 2 one thing I will point out is sabella is not responsible for the fab 4, its was because of an injury he got forced to use what we today call the "fab 4" and I read it is messi that was insistent the "fab4" stays as our no1 game plan.personally I don't believe the fab 4 would have been originally/at all in sabellas game plan (we all know how his teams play in the past and before the fab4) and now sabella and Argentina can't do without them starting. pablo.d (New Zealand) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 7:47 PM 0 arg2014: a good point you mentioned on success and ive said it before in 1982 the teams had 6 weeks together before the w.c, today its 3 and because of the larger amount of games to be played, large wages, sponcers contracts etc players like messi have to play perhaps as many as 70-80 matches a year and they are expected to preform at 100% where a player like Erickson may play only 40-50 and their is not the same pressure if he does not play at 100% every time.simply put the w.c is stacked against the best players and they actually never stop playing, yes they are rewarded very well with $$ but sadly its the worlds cup that suffers buy not having the best players in the world fresh and rested. look after the w.c last time their was champs lge quilifs just 2 days after the w.c final. lookingdowhhole (Indonesia) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 7:46 PM 2 For me, it's hard not to say SABELLA has done a GOOD job in comparison to BILLARDO, my legend MARADONA, and BATISTA. We had been in this situation before back to WCQ2002 and WCQ2006. At that time we were so overconfidence to win WORLD CUP resulted in very bad performance eventhough we were equipped with outstanding players. In WCQ2002, BIELSA was doing a "great" job, ARG was superior in qualification, won against BRA in maracana and brought BRA to the 4th rank in qualification, ARG was also the 1st FIFA rangking at that time, BUT ARG failed in group phase. In WCQ2006, PAKERMAN was a great, but again we failed to hold the trophy eventhough we had more balance team with youngstar MESSI. The bottom line that I want to share: what SABELLA is doing now just the same as previous coach except BILLARDO, MARADONA & BATISTA. In my point of view, I would say SABELLA done a great job IF he bring the WC trophy back to ARG without comparison :)..just a thought.. Dr.Magdy (Egypt) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 7:29 PM 0 I think we should all give props to Seba, the man who expected all of this 2 years ago.We should repost this againhttp://www.mundoalbiceleste.com/Article.aspx?id=2519 KidultHood (United States) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 7:26 PM 0 arg2014 I don't know what's your problem their are only few weak teams in football now..Venezuela has improved over the years.They have players playing in Europe, Argentina and Brazil. Venezuela also defeated Brazil some years ago, they defeated Colombia in qualifying too. So you are criticizing team for what? Qualifying? I don't get you man. Germany last two games was against Austria and Faeroe Island, those teams are nothing compare to the teams Argentina played in South America. And how about Holland drawing with Estonia with a controversial penalty kick or could just score 2 goals against Andorra. Where is Andorra again? If Argentina played against these teams in qualify it would have been a goal fest. Checkout this website before start criticizing.http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1551649/borussia-dortmund-boss-jurgen-klopp-mocks-germany-defence?cc=5901 elpipita (Iraq) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 7:00 PM 3 Sabella has been doing a very good job for quite a while now and the man thus far has performed the way I hoped he would when his name was announced.Results always speak for themselves and Argentina has been doing very well indeed; they've qualified with 2 games in hand and if you look at this argentine team you'd realize that they have something that the previous generations didn't have, GRIT! lots and lots of grit, these boys don't like to lose and have no intention of doing so. Just look at the results 5 draws, 2 of which were in altitude (and they came back from a goal down, when maradona's team ate a 6-1 loss).1 of the games was an away game against peru who thought they they were playing rugby against the pumas rather than football against the albicelestes and again the boys rose to the occasion came back from a goal down and I for one hope that Sabella will use a full strength team when Argentina hosts them in few months so Messi and co could teach them a lesson about football.The other 2 draws where at home against colombia and bolivia and on both occasions kun and pipita scored legitimate goals that should've sealed a win but the refs' decisions were iffy and unfortunately that can and does happen in football and we have to get over it.So to summarize the above paragraphs, Sabella has created a team with a definable core that can and has played in various unfavorable conditions only to come out fighting tooth and nail for every point. Sabella's team has a functioning 'spark' called lio messi that hasn't lit up the national stage until he [sabella] arrived and lets not forget that the reason why messi started performing for the NT is because of the great talent that sabella surrounds him with, which in tern took alot of faith and courage on sabbella's part when one considers that he employed 4 attacking players up front.Sure like most of you I have certain players I'd like to see given a chance (e.g. Yacob, Ansaldi and Musacchio) and who knows maybe sabella will pick them before too long now that the has the chance to experiment. He might've used some questionable players in the past (e.g. Sosa, Guinazu, Brana, Dispato) but to be honest those guys played their hearts for the shirt and made a difference and while they weren't world cup material, they certainly were NT material for a limited time and served a definable function.There is alot of work to be done for the WC rears its head, the LB position needs to be sorted because Rojo just won't do. The bench needs strengthening with some of the players that I mentioned above and the team needs a few messi-less games (the last qualifier against Uruguay) because I for one was impressed with the messi-less team that sabella employed against colombia and it's too bad that pipita got red carded because they played some beautiful flowing football in the first thirty minutes. shOvwar (United States) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 6:59 PM 1 @ Arg2014...relax dude Maradona and Batista had these same players in their disposals. But Sabella turned them into Fantastic 4, Messi started playing like Messi and was given the captaincy, Sabella gave Messi the confidence he needed where Batista and Maradona failed. Sabella created a twin tower infront of Romero in the name of FF and Garay. You are saying we are Argentina and we are expected to do great but then what have we done in the last 10 or 15 years? Sabella's run in this qualifiers are better than all the runs in the last 12 years. Venezuela is not a weak team anymore, they almost qualified for the WC. You are alraedy bringing WC into it when the question was how is Sabella doing SO FAR. Now he cannot read fans imaginations and create every fans dream team, trust me that wont win a WC. What he is doing is creating a team not a wish list of a dream team of curtain fans. I dont care who played or not as long as he gets us victories and it means WC eventually. Germany is sucking in defence at the moment conceding 3/4 goals in one game. But we barely conceded 2 goals in a game our defence has come a long way from Maradona and batista days. nir_th (Nepal) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 6:43 PM 1 well done sabella Kenneth (United States) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 6:41 PM 0 @Arg 2014 i understand the anxiety of Messi getting injured and how we need a plan B for him, but TBH the bottom line is that without Messi we won't win a world cup, same as every other team with their best players, all i can do is sit back and pray that Tata in Barca doesn't overplay him and that he doesn't get injured. Kenneth (United States) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 6:40 PM 1 i think @ jack is right, it seems as if people are already blaming Sabella for losing a tournament we had not yet played in simply because he didn't call up some players. As far as HOW WELL SABELLA HAS DONE SO FAR, he has done great, we can't see what the future holds for us, but up until now each game we have looked better and better, we didn't have Messi for a few games and still managed not lose. People need to ease up, it's clear that Sabella is not a fool, he stopped calling Sosa, he stopped calling barcos brana and guinazu, and now he has stopped calling Montillo. It's clear he has a plan in mind and has a certain standard he is willing to hold his players too, maybe perhaps he will stop calling Palacio who knows? But up until now Sabella has done a great job, if people view going 27 matches undefeated as only decent, then well i suppose to each his own. Jack! (United States) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 5:46 PM 0 Okay, I said drew in one sentence and lost the other, you clearly know what I am talking about. Maradona's first game in charge was at home vs venezuela and we won 4-0, what a great start.But again, you are talking about what happened 2 years ago when we just started. And Venezuela has improved a great deal if you haven't noticed, you act like they are some minnow. They rested their players against Ecuador and were getting ready for us. If you look at their qualifications, they drew away in Colombia, in Uruguay and lets not forget they finished 4th in the Copa America. Winning against Chile in Mendoza which is basically a home game vs Chile. I don't understand what more you want from Sabella, you want only 2 draws and all wins is unrealistic. And him winning right from the start is again unrealistic, Pep from Barcelona started with a losing record for Barcelona and he did just fine for himself, didn't he? But again, I don't care, Sabella has done more than enough to deserve praise as of now, if you think he has done just decent, then so be it. arg2014 (Canada) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 5:46 PM 5 @Jack! your aunt will get some balls coming June, guess what I have news for you:Players who shine in the WC usually are players who had a quiet club season or play for non seaded club. We saw how big names like Messi, Ronaldo, Ronney all were tired after a long season and CL in 2010, David Villa and Forlan took the spot light because both didn't play for clubs like Bcn or Madrid when they had to go far with three club competitions....So there is a big chance that Messi will be either super exhausted or injured especially when BCN want to get the CL this season so bad....Di Maria as well might face same fate for Madrid.....Higuain with Napoli as well....All those are club that drain their main strikers by end of season. Every world cup we get to hear about names never heard before and become heroes simply because they come with lots of energy and geared up since they don't play for a major club.Bottom line we need a plan B for Messi. shOvwar (United States) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 5:36 PM 2 Argentina's rise to no 2 spot in the world ranking system and its reasons are: 1) Sabella (Not Maradona) 2) Messi Captain and performing with authority. 3) Stronger Defence in Garay and Fernandez barely conceded 2 goals in a match in the Last two years when Garay and Fernadez was in Defence. 4)Fantastic Four (Dimaria, Higz, Kun n Leo) 5) Mastering counter attacks with the best attacking 4 in the world. 6) Mascherano and Gago tremendous work load and dedication in defence, midfield and distribution. Sabella may not be your type of coach but his tactics are working and bringing good results. I know his tactics are not typical Argentina tactics but we were not doing good with our style of tactics before Sabella. We SUCKED in defence, Messi was confused, there were no team works before Sabella. I know we have complains why Sabella not bringing this player why dont he use a LB and why no enganche, etc. etc. But he stuck with one tactic kept faith in the same group of players so they can master these tactics master their positions. Now we have players with their roles. And they are going to master it even further before the WC. The Argentina Counter Attack is a treat to watch no matter how they play they are winning. Mash and Gago got their roles and executing it and so is Garay, Fernandez and Zabaleta. There would always be flaws somewhere Sabella needs to tweek those areas a bit. If we are fine without LB and still keep winning then why not? If Basanta can hold the left side in the defence vits alright. We dont need both Lavezzi and Palacio i think he is just checkin who is better at that position and drop 1 of them and may bring in more acfurate forwards like Scocco. I dont think we need to change this formation by a lot i trust Sabella as long as he brings victories and get us the WORLD CUP. I dont care who is playing as long as we win it. I saw our Best team go out in Penalty shoot out due to bad coaching in 2006, I saw a champion team go down due to drug issue in 1994 and I saw an experienced settled team could not even go through the first round in 1999 due to injuries and coaching mistakes, I dont wanna c it again. I want to trust Sabella. I dont even think we need to test ourselves against the likes of Germany, Spain, Brazil or England before the WC. We saw it against Italy already now lets play games against Belgium or Russia before the WC. Lets master our tactice even further and shock the world. Go Sabella.My Team: ROMERO, Andujar, Orion (tho wud love to see willy)ZABA, GARAY, FF, BASANTA, Camp, Colo, AnsaldiMASH, GAGO, DIM, Lamela, Banega, Biglia, AlvarezKUN, LEO, HIGZ, Lavezzi, Scocco, (Icardi/Palacio).Lets Believe. arg2014 (Canada) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 5:20 PM 1 Actually we lost to Venezuela, it wasn't a draw AS FAR as I know. oh, and that was a record making "first time in history". He was new and experimenting....but a world class coach will knock them with 4 goals at least with the players he has. Come on, we are talking about Messi and his men that worth millions of dollars....what Venezuela has? I tell you, decent players with a genius coach. When you take over coaching a big big team like Argentina, it is expected that you destroy weak teams from the get go, this is Argentina for God's sake, it's not like coaching a team like Panama. He was selected among several coaches, means he's expected to show high ride from the start based on his resume. He might improve by June, but so far, it was decent. We won games by the greatness of Messi and Co. Jack! (United States) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 5:01 PM 1 arg2014-So what, we drew against Bolivia and venezuela, that was nearly 2 years ago. we have come a long ways. We lost in venezuela but won in Colombia,Chile and Paraguay. We didn't lose in Bolivia,Ecuador,Peru and Paraguay, where we have been normally losing in the last few World Cup's. So you want only 2 draws and all wins? ROFL... Dude, so you want 44 points out of 48? In the last qualifiers there we 2 more games, and the most points were by Brazil with 34, under Pekerman at the 2006 WCQ there, again 34 points. If we manage to win our next 2 games, we will have 35 that is 1 more point than the previous teams with 2 more games in hand. You'd have to go all the way back to Bielsa who had something like 4 draws and 1 loss, that turned out just great, right? Lets get a little more realistic here than throw out stuff that will never happen. 44 out of 48 points, you basically want a 92% average in these qualifiers. Going to and playing some of these games is not going into Luxembourg or the Faroe Islands. As for "if Messi gets injured" If doesn't happen until it happens, if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle. Can't play the IF game. arg2014 (Canada) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 4:55 PM 0 Moreover: When Lavezzi and Palacio are world class strikers for their clubs, and especially palacio scores tons of goals for Inter. Sabella failed to bring the best out of them.....they became a flop because he just let them go on field and play....their finishing ability is so poor that I would say no proper upscale training was provided....decent job still, not "bad or terrible" job afterall, do don't fire the gun at me. Kenneth (United States) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 4:48 PM 1 IMO he's done a great job, i can actually watch Argentina's games now without cringing at out defense, and I'm confident we can win against anybody now. arg2014 (Canada) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 4:46 PM 2 yes we understood the question "so far" and the answer is "decent" "so far".He has best players in the squad, plenty of world class players no any other south American team has: Messi, Higauin, Aguero, Di Maria, Mascherano, Banega, Garay, Lamela, etc....with this massive massive roster, I only vote as a good job if we finished qualifying campaign with lets say 2 draws and all wins. Does that make a sense? however losing to venzuela "first time in history" and drawing to Bolivia and some other draws all that falls for "decent" work but not good when you have players that every national team in the world would die to have them. I won't jump on the bandwagon as of yet. So far he has been decent, I give more credit to the soldiers "our fantastic players" who achieved all that....they deserve all the credit when they sweat it out and put their hearts on the field after being given an average coaching and plans. Sabella is still a manager that might get lost among the demons and devils "genius coaches" in Brazil. So hold your horses fellows, look from another view and screen the whole picture.....Can Sabella manage to lead the team to the final if Messi got injured after the finale of the champions League? well this falls under this period "so far" what plan has he done to avoid that situation? Mascherano replacement? I can challenge you with even more, and all that belongs to the work of this period, speaking of SO FAR. Leandro (United States) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 4:34 PM 0 @Jack! agreed. People are waaaaaaay to harsh and unrealistic with Sabella. He has done a great job turning around a team which was in shambles. There are some people that will never be happy unless things are played exactly the way they want them to be. Objectively, Results speak for themselves. Dfox (United States) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 4:19 PM 0 Some people seem to forget or might not even know how it was just few years ago, we had all the offensive power and enough for another two teams and yet barely used to score, the chemistry was garbage, players in and others out, media calling Messi a no show when it came to playing for ARG and the defense, oh yeah there was NONE. Kutz (India) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 4:15 PM 0 Lol !!!! Decent !!!:) pablo.d (New Zealand) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 4:11 PM 3 for me sabella has done a good job and its hard not to give him that as we are no 2 and have already qualified from the w.c but im still not convinced we will win the world cup if we get an injury of 2.I don't like the bench and I hope the bench does not come to haunt us.sabellas loyalty could be his down fall as any manager should have no loyalty as its about winning at all costs.one of the great managers alex f never has favourites and always went for what he saw as the best unlike sabella who seems fixed on certain "old" connections.the w.c is vastly from the qualifs and teams step it up another level.I struggle to see the point of lev, pal, maxi (1 goal and every one is saying how fantastic he is remember palmero anyone?)when their are better players deserving a chance and if they cant step up theirs always back to the status quo but give other a chance but I don't see sabella experimenting at all now. Jack! (United States) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 4:10 PM 4 When people are saying Caballero, they have clearly not seen him this season. If you think Romero has been bad, go back and watch some of the games Caballero has played this season. People just want to see players that they have not seen play on a regular basis or have read an article about them being linked with Barcelona,United,City or etc. LOL, Sabella wins 5-2 in Paraguay where we haven't win in god knows how long, and he has been "decent"... Got it.. Maybe if he won 10-2, then some people might say.... Good. Kutz (India) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 4:02 PM 0 Decent .... Dfox (United States) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 3:59 PM 0 You have done a GOOD job Mr. Sabella, we have come a long long way and hope to continue it all the way to Brazil and back with that shinny gold thing and a third STAR on our jersey. loquito (Iran) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 3:53 PM 0 Just look at the first goal of Paraguay ..what a weakness reaction from Romero . it was shameful somehow loquito (Iran) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 3:51 PM 0 and ..i cant stand , when i see willy Caballero as an awesome goalkeeper but sabella persisted to use just Romero..Romero is really ordinary ...Even Andujar is better than him . Please Sabella? loquito (Iran) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 3:43 PM 0 in my opinion Sabella done good job , he knew that Argentina had some problems, like no existing labour players at the middle of pitch as a fighter , and of course Argentina had no any balance in Maradona time , but know he could do that ..just one negative point in sabella is ..he`s not very flexible to recruit new player instead of some ordinary player like Marcos rojo , palacio , romero, basanta, campanero , viva Argentina. LM10 (United States) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 3:40 PM 0 I find some arguments on here very useless.. Team's current form do not determine how they will do during the WC... We're at the start of a new season, new players will break in to differents NTs, we have injuries and plenty other factors.. There are a lot of middle class teams that always step up when the competition starts, african teams, the likes of japan & korea, Usa and even some Europeans teams you dont hear about now... So all these arguments sound just uselesss and time-wasting.. KidultHood (United States) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 3:36 PM 1 arg2014 Uruguay? The only way they win unless Argentina want them to but that is not happening..Argentina will win by like 4 goals vs Uruguay. The Colombia game was just one of those games..The most important game in the campaign was the 3rd game away at Colombia and Argentina won that game, so getting 4 points from 6 vs Colombia is a great result.Italy got knock out in the last wc in the group stage and yours truly Paraguay was the winner of that group. Argentina played against second team of Germany and Italy? Oh please, the only German player missing at that time were Schweiny & Neuer. Italy had every body playing except Balotelli..Argentina was Missing Messi, Aquero, Gago and Zableta for that Italian game.Yes, we cant put too much into friendlies but Sabellas and his team went out and get the job done in front of an away audience..So how about Germany conceding all these goals in WCQ? You think they don't have defensive problem too the same as Italy who conceded the most goals at the confederation cup apart from Tahiti..Italy under Pradelli has leak way too many goals.. And you really think Holland is a threat at the next wc? the biggest under achievers in world cup history..Holland got Van Persie that's about it..Playing against Andorra is totally different than playing against Argentina. KidultHood (United States) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 3:30 PM 0 @Jack The South American WCQ is a qualifying tournament home and away..Of course you can judge him with these results, some of these games are played in the most brutal of places in South America. Dante Pastrana (United States) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 3:23 PM 0 Anybody that voted decent is very harsh and you should go kill yourself! It says how has Sabella done so far as a manager? So far He has been EXCELLENT!! He was decent halfway through the qualifying campaign. You guys are a tad bit upsetting with your decent BS!! Jack! (United States) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 3:22 PM 4 I think some people are missing the point of the question.The question is "how has sabella done so far"... So far.... He hasn't played in any tournaments for you to judge him...So far. Kenneth (United States) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 3:10 PM 0 @kidudulthood, Pekerman got unlucky, i mean who knew that Julio Cruz who was having a great season with Inter ATM would play the way he did? It was disappointing but that's the "luck" factor involved, unlucky for us lucky for the Germans and even more Lucky for the italians, as we had a more versatile squad with precise and cutting edge passes. arg2014 (Canada) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 3:07 PM 5 I quoted Sabella "decent job" why?1) We still haven't achieved anything yet internationally, no titles yet....just preparing a team and getting qualified, and that is his job as a coach to at least getting qualified when coaching a strong football nation like Argentina. It's not like he's leading Qatar to the WC.2) We couldn't beat Colombia in the last game, and results were like 5 draws and a loss, not very impressive when you have the best players in the world in your disposal... all talented gems. Not sure we will be able to beat Uruguay in away game, so I'm not praising him as of yet before passing the real test. Uruguay game will be a reality check for Sabella.3) He didn't show over the top tactics, super Plan B, advanced strategy, his player selection and subs are not that impressive. We all agree that there are like 5 good players should have been tested earlier in the process before saying now it's too late to give them a try when everyone has blended in the team already. A world class coach spots good talents and wouldn't take him 2 years to figure it out no matter how many players out there. Brazil did it in a shorter time, that was a coach from a higher calibre.4) I'm not counting on victories we achieved in friendlies against second team of Germany or Italy without Ballotelli....Germany and Italy use friendlies as a test for their plans not to win....they shine when it is required in the real competition....so I would say kudos for Sabella winning them, but not giving him all stars as of yet....he should defeat teams like Brazil, Germany, Italy, and Netherlands in the real competition. Notice I didn't mention Spain as I don't consider them fav. anymore, screw the stupid analysts....Spain will get eliminated in the QF this time.5) He played some really really bad players and wasted so much time and games using them just because he knows them....a wise coach with lots of experience under his belt wouldn't act like that.....he would put his emotions aside and focus on his mission.All in all, a decent job because he has all good players in every position which made his task lots easier...now he has to convince me in his tactics and coaching brain in Brazil 2014.....the rest is just passing step one. arg2014 (Canada) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 2:45 PM 0 Pekerman had the best squad in his disposal.....it was very balanced team. His fear of playing young talented players like Messi ruined the party for him. Deb (India) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 2:34 PM 0 Good job till now.Great job only when he wins the World Cup.Sorry, Sabella. KidultHood (United States) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 2:32 PM 0 Germany* KidultHood (United States) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 2:31 PM 0 Aimar was in is prime at that time he should have played at some point in that game..Apart form Julio Cruz converting his penalty kick I did not see the effectiveness of him coming on for Requelme. I get Messi was young back then but he played in the tournament prior to the game against geramny. LM10 (United States) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 2:31 PM 0 #SEriousQuestionIn term of individualities, which coach do you guys think has/had a better squad at their disposal btwn now and the last 3 WC coaches? LM10 (United States) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 2:26 PM 0 @kidultHood U think Sabella would have made an offensive subs if he was in Pekerman place? or introduce a Young player against Germany?? It doesnt seem like it KidultHood (United States) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 2:15 PM 1 Argentina would have beaten Germany in 2006 if Messi and Aimar came on as subs in the second half but the injury to the goal keeper canceled out 1 of the 3 subs..Still don't know why Perkeman sub Requelme in the second half. Sabella is a genius, I like him, he give me confidence as the coach for the blue and white shirt. Leandro (United States) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 2:05 PM 2 Like his style or not, like his player selection or not the fact is that his team is largely unbeaten, #2 in the Fifa ranking, on its way to be #1 in the South American Qualifiers, playing well with or without Messi, playing well with or without Mascherano, playing well with or without Higuain and playing reasonably well with a B line of defense. He has beaten almost all the top contenders in friendlies (Brasil, Germany, etc) and he is winning most games convincingly. Great job in my book. LM10 (United States) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 2:02 PM 0 Nobody ever doubted Argentina would qualify for the WC.. Bt Sabella's job starts NOW... that's what will make him different than the likes of Bielsa, Pekerman and such... So based of these standard, he has done a decent job to me Bombonera (Kenya) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 12:41 PM 0 great will come when he makes lio lifts wc2014,,,, so for me still good job Johnny (United States) Posted on 9/13/2013 at 12:28 PM 1 As I've said before you can't argue with this kind of success. Sabella may not please me 100% of the time but pleasing me is not his job.