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Posted by Roy (Roy Nemer) Monday, October 22, 2012 Go To Comments

Champions League: Matchday 3 preview

The Champions League continues this week.

Here are the list of matches involving Argentine players:

Tuesday, October 23:

Group F:
BATE vs. Valencia (Fernando GAGO, Ever BANEGA, Tino COSTA and Pablo PIATTI)

Group G:
Spartak Moscow (Juan INSAURRALDE and Nicolas PAREJA) vs. Benfica (Pablo AIMAR, Eduardo SALVIO, Nicolas GAITAN, Ezequiel GARAY and Enzo PEREZ)
Celtic vs. FC Barcelona (Lionel MESSI and Javier MASCHERANO)

Wednesday, October 24:

Group A:
FC Porto (Luis GONZALEZ, Juan ITURBE and Nicolas OTAMENDI) vs. Dynamo Kyiv (Marco RUBEN)
Dinamo Zagreb (Luis IBANEZ and Adrian CALELLO) vs. PSG (Javier PASTORE and Ezequiel LAVEZZI)

Group B:
Montpellier (Emanuel HERRERA) vs. Olympiakos (Ariel IBAGAZA)

Group C:
Zenit St. Petersburg vs. Anderlecht (Lucas BIGLIA and Matias SUAREZ)
Malaga (Martin DEMICHELIS, Javier SAVIOLA, Willy CABALLERO and Diego BUONANOTTE) vs. AC Milan

Group D:
Ajax vs. Manchester City (Sergio AGUERO, Carlos TEVEZ and Pablo ZABALETA)
Borussia Dortmund vs. Real Madrid (Gonzalo HIGUAIN and Angel DI MARIA)




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Abs
(United States)
Posted on 11/4/2012 at 6:52 PM
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@aka Mr. D:

Will that's were they should be .. they are just unlucky that they aren't one of Serie A favorites (Juve, Inter, Roma, and Milan.)


aka Mr. D
(Peru)
Posted on 10/29/2012 at 11:41 AM
0
@abs, WhoScored.com's numbers rank Lazio above Barcelona.


Abs
(United States)
Posted on 10/28/2012 at 12:22 AM
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@msi2:

After going to Qatar, Zarate had a good loan with Lazio, and the year after was even better. After that he started to think of other things other than playing good football. After all loyalty is important in football, and he killed that with Lazio.

@aka Mr.D:

What's with Lazio ?!


Abs
(United States)
Posted on 10/28/2012 at 12:19 AM
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@sulav787:

Biglia should go to any big team that give him a first place time. The kid can become something.


Jack!
(United States)
Posted on 10/27/2012 at 4:29 AM
0
Zarate had 1 good year in Lazio and that was it. He was never driven for the love of the game he was driven by money. Which is funny because he came from wealth. It's a shame, he never became as good as his brother Sergio either. Who was probably one of the fastest players I recall. Sergio would fight for everything, Maurito not so much. But can't really blame somebody for being driven by money. I personally think he would flourish if he just left Italy and came down to Brasil or even came back home to Argentina(Which I doubt anybody could afford him even that is).


Dr.Magdy
(Egypt)
Posted on 10/27/2012 at 3:15 AM
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msi2

Exactly, what a waste :(
I still remember Zarate's goal on Buffon ,it was .. a piece of art.


msi2
(France)
Posted on 10/26/2012 at 6:29 PM
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Flaco>

lol! This guy is lost. Quite frankly, after his departure to Qatar just after winning the sub-20 WC in 2007, you somehow knew this guy didnt have much in his brain. A shame though because he was quite talented, but so selfish.


Flaco
(United Kingdom)
Posted on 10/25/2012 at 6:48 PM
0
@Kutz

Regarding Zarate he is not having goood times at Lazio, he might move to Torino FC.


elpipita
(Iraq)
Posted on 10/25/2012 at 5:49 PM
1
One must always be careful with those stats sites, after all this is football not baseball, never the less there is always a place for analytical data to support what wer already know.
Campagnero deserves all the high stats he's been getting and then some! the guy is downright amazing, I personally would have him as a centre back, but he could also do a decent right back's job (better than zabaleta).


argentinasince1993
(Maldives)
Posted on 10/25/2012 at 5:37 PM
0
hi guys... has there been any news, rumours or interviews regarding the next friendly? perhaps in the argentine media.... will it be the same team or wud there be any experiments ? i am also very curious regarding new talents in agentina. i have been following the NT for some time now.. around 10 years.. n they always had players linking to big clubs in europe, but lately i havent seen too much of such stories.. is argentina not making good players anymore like they used to?


sulav787
(Canada)
Posted on 10/25/2012 at 4:11 PM
0
Inter in shock bid for Lavezzi

http://www.soccernews.com/inter-in-shock-bid-for-lavezzi-rivaldo-fuels-retirement-talk/105443/


sulav787
(Canada)
Posted on 10/25/2012 at 4:07 PM
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is it true that Roncaglia wants to paly for italy??



sulav787
(Canada)
Posted on 10/25/2012 at 3:54 PM
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gago is turting out to be buy of the season for valencia...


Kutz
(India)
Posted on 10/25/2012 at 3:54 PM
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How bout zaratte he too wears # 10 for lazio !!


Kutz
(India)
Posted on 10/25/2012 at 3:52 PM
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I guess the score sheet at the end of a game does not REALLY indicate how a team played ... Sometimes we say "they did not deserve to lose " based on the teams actual performance ..but at the end of the day the score sheet is a stati...and since we are suckers as far as stats go .. Seems like the site has gone over board with all the number crunching i think The site gives a fare indication of where teams and players are at .i was a bit skeptical at first but leaning towards " the believers " .
I am no footbal analyst but now it makes sense why lady cris was "sad " ..lol !!!


sulav787
(Canada)
Posted on 10/25/2012 at 3:41 PM
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Argentina's defensive problem can only be solved when sabella replaces one of the fav 4 with a good midfielder... banega is showing good promise even coming late as a sub.. cant wait to see him in the starting xi for valencia.. he wears their no 10 jersey., and no 10 is always for special one..

regarding lamela he is good but not yet ready to be in the starting xi for NT.. but i would love to have him, biligia, gaitan on the bench



ddr1123
(United States)
Posted on 10/25/2012 at 3:28 PM
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@aka Mr. D LOL!!! LMAO!!! just funny!


aka Mr. D
(Peru)
Posted on 10/25/2012 at 2:50 PM
0
Walter Samuel at #9 and Campagnaro at #12 are the 2 best CBs in the world. Argentina's CB problem has been solved! Hurray!!!

Thanks WhoScored.com! That sure was easy.

Now Messi can focus on making Barcelona a better team than Lazio.


aka Mr. D
(Peru)
Posted on 10/25/2012 at 2:38 PM
3
I may hate CR7 but any system that rates him as only the 32nd best player is ridiculous.


ddr1123
(United States)
Posted on 10/25/2012 at 2:25 PM
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@Kutz
It is the dressing room problem. There is some issue with Inter Argentine brigade, led by Zanetti. Pekerman mentioned that he took Lionel Scaloni as a RB over Javier Zanetti in 2006, because of dressing room and commitment issue. Its surprising about Zanetti and commitment. I remember he was mad at Veron in 2002 game against Sweden, which Argentina had to win to go to 2nd round and fell with Veron since Veron had no urgency and screamed at him at 83rd minute (was 1-1) for being too slow to take a corner kick.

We will never know all details and hear about half cooked stories or a particular version. But again, every team has issues but they still win major trophies.


Kutz
(India)
Posted on 10/25/2012 at 2:10 PM
0
Right on ddr113! Pastore is rated #72 in the French leauge , where as lamela is # 12 and Walter Samuel is at #4 in the seria A .. Was watching the game inter vs partizan ..and cambiassio is awesome .. He played cb for the first 20 min and now playing dm .. I guess it's the chemistry in the locker room that is keeping him off the n/t ..


ddr1123
(United States)
Posted on 10/25/2012 at 1:30 PM
1
So many posts of whoscored.com that I had to go and take a look :)

This is what they have for Erik Lamela:
Currently the tenth highest rated player in Serie A, the Argentinian forward is undoubtedly thriving under the guidance of Zdenek Zeman, netting three goals and two WhoScored Man of the Match awards in his seven appearances to date. Given a prominent role by the new coach, he has seized upon it, averaging 3.1 shots, 2.7 key passes and 1.9 completing dribbles per game as he constantly looks to threaten opponents from his nominal right sided role. Providing an entirely different set of skills to either Francesco Totti or Pablo Osvaldo, the former River Plate man is Serie A’s best young player right now.

Somehow, I am thinking this guy has a better chance to breakthrough than Pastore. Pastore again had a lazy performance.


Leandro
(United States)
Posted on 10/25/2012 at 12:30 PM
0
@Kutz, on that site they also listed Gago in the best 11 of the week:

http://www.whoscored.com/Graphics/127/Show/WhoScored-Champions-League-Team-of-the-Week-23-24-October-2012

As for overall player rankings, both Samuel and Campagnero are in the top 10.


Leandro
(United States)
Posted on 10/25/2012 at 12:26 PM
0
@Kutz, Campagnero for Napoli is a beast as a CB. His stats are indeed world class (# of interceptions, etc). Good on the ground, solid in the air, a physical intimidator, great positioning and he is also very skilled with the ball. He is a slightly older player, but for his position that is by no means a problem. He reminds me of Puyol with a little better footwork. I would start him every game.


Kutz
(India)
Posted on 10/25/2012 at 12:19 PM
0
Came across an article that says some highly rated coaches get their stats from a website whoScored.com ,wait for this .. Obviously messi is número UNO ...... And lady Cristina is at #32 .. But I guess the site looses its credibility when they have campagnario as centre back for their all all star team based solely on all kinda complicated stats .. I just love argentian and their brand of football and don't pretend to be an expert , can some one check out the site,your comments will be appreciated ..


ddr1123
(United States)
Posted on 10/25/2012 at 8:44 AM
0
@Flaco
Di Maria - Was some kind of a threat. His shots all went wide. He did get some look at the goal and had the pass of the night to Ronaldo (no goals). In short he was a threat.

Aguero - Not much to say.

Higuain - Even less to say :), not his fault. No supply.


ddr1123
(United States)
Posted on 10/25/2012 at 8:42 AM
0
@All
I see a question, why Lucho got replaced in the first place. The reason I know, I heard from an interview of Pekerman, long after the WC is as follows:

Its the Germany game in 2006, Roman was tiring, his muscles were getting stiff. Lucho was his deputy, he was given the duty to dictate the pace and game for the remaining 12 mins and as a matter into extra time. He completely failed and choked. Cambiasso had to take the responsibility of taking the midfield even though Lucho was there. Pretty much nailed his career in NT. He never could graduate from a deputy.


Flaco
(United Kingdom)
Posted on 10/25/2012 at 8:11 AM
0
How was Di Maria, Aguero and Higuain yetserday?


cleanball
(Indonesia)
Posted on 10/25/2012 at 6:04 AM
0
Anyway, we all know Sabella choices type and selection players, he prefer to select a loyal and can make a team rather in big names. And, I'm anxious in looking for new faces to join in and strengthen the subs / reserve...all the best


msi2
(France)
Posted on 10/25/2012 at 5:01 AM
0
cleanball> Yes with Porto he seems to thrive. Actually in every club he has passed he has been really good. Here in River he left a lot of good memories. His first speel in Porto was considered as excellent and his second term seems to be as good. He's a good club player but the fact is he has been a disapointment with the NT for the most part.


Leandro
(United States)
Posted on 10/25/2012 at 4:30 AM
0
Guys, Lucho is aging.. I like him, and he is a good option as a sub / reserve. But as others have said, we need to focus on the future; Lamela, Min~o, etc would make more sense. I feel that if we are to bring in veteran players, they should be world class; Aimar, Samuel, Zanetti are examples of names a notch above Lucho and even they are not getting called.


cleanball
(Indonesia)
Posted on 10/25/2012 at 4:20 AM
0
@msi2 Thanks fr your feedback and makes it clear to us.

Maybe under Sabella he can regain his perform as under Bielsa after failed on the other coaches; as far I know his performance at Porto is quite good.


msi2
(France)
Posted on 10/25/2012 at 3:37 AM
0
@cleanball me too but at the same time I wonder y Lucho got dropped in the first place..

lol does people have any memory? Because he has been piss poor with the NT. As simple as that. The only time Lucho was good with the NT was during Bielsa's era (like Tevez btw). The rest of his spell was just a sorry effort...


cleanball
(Indonesia)
Posted on 10/25/2012 at 1:17 AM
0
Namaskar Suresh,

I think it is due of too many choices and abundant talents in mid and attackers. Beside the chemistry and team work factor among players. Sabella already have Gago, which works well with F4 beside have in the waiting (sub) list the names of Barcos,Perez,Guinazu, Sosa and Martinez. It's more realistic to try in the next friendly games the younger players such as Mino and Lamela, Really looking for a surprise line up in Albiceleste next game. Hopeful for this thing happens


hi2suresh
(India)
Posted on 10/24/2012 at 11:28 PM
0
@cleanball me too but at the same time I wonder y Lucho got dropped in the first place..


cleanball
(Indonesia)
Posted on 10/24/2012 at 11:19 PM
0
I would love to see either Lucho,Lisandro Lopez (Lyon) and Jonas Guiterez to be called up and join in the next friendly game against Saudi.


Leandro
(United States)
Posted on 10/24/2012 at 10:00 PM
0
Just to give Masch a little support, that goal was only partly his fault.. the player that head the ball was not the man he was marking, he was the supporting defender in that play.. would a taller player like Federico done better, probably.. but I would not be to harsh on Mascherano for that goal, it deflected of him.


cleanball
(Indonesia)
Posted on 10/24/2012 at 9:58 PM
0
Lucho Gonzalez is excellent and deserve to be call by Sabella. No doubt, he will bring great impact and more creativity and option for the team; can be place and operates as a winger.

Pastore shine today with PSG as his dynamic movement and ball passing is very good only unlucky with the outside trap.Just hope that Ancelloti will trust him and train him well to be the next PSG great player and outcome the shadow of Ibra. Although Pastore position will be challenge by the upcoming of Lucas Mohra in January.

@Mr.D, you got my point . Mascherano is more suitable as CDM not in pure CBs role. He need a full support from good CB either from Puyol and Piquet at Barca or Garay and Fernandez at N/T. That works well. Anyway,the good thing is he got a chance to play in many position and improved.


Flaco
(United Kingdom)
Posted on 10/24/2012 at 5:51 PM
0
Lucho Gonzalez(Porto) gave two assists and Pastore (PSG) gave an assist today.



aka Mr. D
(Peru)
Posted on 10/24/2012 at 10:23 AM
0
@cleanball that Celtic goal is exactly why I don't want Mascherano playing CB for Argentina. Barcelona can get away with someone his height because they give up very few corners and rarely have to deal with crosses in their own box. Where Mascherano plays on the pitch as a CB for Barcelona and as a CDM for Argentina are almost geographically identical.


sulav787
(Canada)
Posted on 10/24/2012 at 7:39 AM
0
Biglia should consider joining arsenal...


cleanball
(Indonesia)
Posted on 10/24/2012 at 4:57 AM
0
Mascherano must have a mixed feeling at the moment; getting a red card from Depor games and making an own goal from Samaras's header that hit him and go into Valdes net. but overall lucky enough for Barca to win all the 2 games.
Man City, Anderlect and Madrid will have a tough games abroad tonight.and lets see Pastore play against Zagreb


Jack!
(United States)
Posted on 10/23/2012 at 7:31 PM
2

Glad to see people are finally jumping off the Pastore bandwagon. I like the kid, think he is a good player but he just is not ready for the big time. I will give him time, and time is what he needs, nothing more. Continue to play, get stronger mentally and you will make it not only with PSG but also with the NT.


Dr.Magdy
(Egypt)
Posted on 10/23/2012 at 6:53 PM
0
Wow ,Gago is turning into "Pirlo".


aka Mr. D
(Peru)
Posted on 10/23/2012 at 6:37 PM
0
@sulav787 were we watching the same game? Benfica looked instantly better once Gaitán came on. I thought played Perez played well. I don't think he's NT material yet but I understand what Sabella sees him: his dribbling, his speed, his size.

The main thing I took away from the Benfica/Spartak game was how good Pareja looked. Looked worthy of a spot on the Argentina bench.

@vik, there's a reason they call Pastore "Flaco." He's be broken into pieces in a Yaya Toure role.

The main thing that's put Kaka into oblivion is Mourinho. Will Pastore ever be a key piece of the NT? It's looking more and more unlikely but if he can be given that advanced midfielder role on a consistent basis he might be able to make a name for himself. He's only 23.


sulav787
(Canada)
Posted on 10/23/2012 at 4:39 PM
0
messi had a offday for his standards


sulav787
(Canada)
Posted on 10/23/2012 at 2:20 PM
0
just finished watching smoscow cs benfica.. not impressed at all by enzo perez and gaitan..


vik
(United Kingdom)
Posted on 10/23/2012 at 11:49 AM
0
@ddr1123

that article couldnt be more spot on! Kaka has drifted into oblivion with the role he plays.

Pastore should of been quick to notice that and should of moulded his game around someone else.

not necessarily silva but more yaya yaya toure. elegant, has the passing and dribbling ability. yet is able to retrieve the ball.

i have said this before in another column; i am afraid not much else from this guy.

2 things will happen to this guy in the next 2 years:

1. he returns to italy (lesser team)
2. he gets loaned back to argentina or even Brasil. (his position is more suited there)


ddr1123
(United States)
Posted on 10/23/2012 at 8:27 AM
1
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/blog/_/name/espnfcunited/id/1259?cc=5901

The reasons why Pastore does not make it yet. What I fear, he may never make it. Hope I am wrong.


cleanball
(Indonesia)
Posted on 10/23/2012 at 3:48 AM
0
Great to knew Banega has played again and hope he will shine and perform well


Flaco
(United Kingdom)
Posted on 10/23/2012 at 2:39 AM
0
For 2012-2013 Ricky Alvarez played twice as sub, I think he was suffering an injury. I was surprised to know that Sabella is thinking about him, good!


Abs
(United States)
Posted on 10/23/2012 at 12:05 AM
0
Otamendi should get a call up !!


Jack!
(United States)
Posted on 10/22/2012 at 7:19 PM
0
How is Ricky playing anyways? Have not had much chance to watch Inter play.


Akash
(Suriname)
Posted on 10/22/2012 at 6:34 PM
0
Sabella : "Con Ricky Alvarez me equivoqué en traerlo con Bolivia y ponerlo de titular. Lo voy a volver a citar, me encanta". Looks like Ricky will get a call up in the near future.
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