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Posted by Roy (Roy Nemer) Thursday, September 13, 2012 Go To Comments

Work ahead for Argentina

There are some positives to take away from Argentina's 1-1 draw against Peru.

Not everyone would have accepted a draw prior to the match against Peru, but I probably would have said yes. On paper, we have a much more talented team, there is no doubt about it. However, people tend to forget that Argentina plays in South America and not Europe. They don't play against the likes of Georgia or Cyprus when trying to qualify for the World Cup. South America is a different animal. If Spain, England or any other team from Europe would have had their bus attacked like Argentina, they would have sent in a complaint to FIFA. In South America, this is a recurring thing. I'm not saying it's right, but it's one of the many differences which seperates the two continents.

The match itself was brutal to watch. Peru pressured Argentina and credit to them for it, but that is where I draw the line. It was dirty play with fouls coming in every second. There is a difference between playing physically and down right dirty. Peru was down right dirty. Marcos ROJO got a flying kick to the head. The type of kick you would see in a Street Fighter video game while Fernando GAGO had to be substituted off due to an injury. The referee was very kind to Peru as there should have been a red card or two issued to them.

DI MARIA didn't know what to do. His positioning was off. He didn't know if he should track back and defend (and one of the times when he did, he gave away a penalty kick) or if he should stay in Peru's side of the pitch and attack. Peru did their homework and attacked Argentina from the left on ROJO's side. GARAY and FERNANDEZ were under pressure the whole match and for me, FERNANDEZ was the better of the two. Not to say GARAY was bad, because I don't think he was, but FERNANDEZ was our best defender in that match. CAMPAGNARO was troubled at times but I thought for the most part did well enough.

MESSI was completely marked out of the match and a lot of it was because he had to drop very deep to get the ball. And once on the ball, he was hounded by Peruvian players all around him which left him no other choice but to pass the ball right away. There was one counter attack in the first half where a Peruvian player ran into him from behind but the referee didn't give the free kick.

I said there were some positives to take away from the match and I meant it. Sergio ROMERO was one of the positives from the match. His penalty kick save at the beginning gave Argentina the chance to stay in and not chase Peru from the second minute. He also made a key save in the second half which kept the score tied. Whenever ROMERO does a mistake, he is quick to be crusified, but people tend to forget that he has saved Argentina countless times already. He didn't have the best of World Cups and was at fault for some of the goals, but since that tournament, he has done very well. His first match for Argentina was against Paraguay in 2009 and he was by far our best player on the pitch. He made great saves in that match. Against Colombia at the Copa America, again, it was ROMERO. If it wasn't because of him, Argentina would not have made it out of the group stages of the tournament.

Someone made a comment in one of the posts about how this Argentina team, physically, is pretty soft. And I tend to agree. Argentina used to strike fear in the eyes of opponents. SIMEONE and AYALA would not have stood for what Peru were doing. They would have fought back. The team allowed themselvse to be bullied and that easily attributed to the loss. Credit to the team for not getting red carded and keeping their cool, but some bite would not have hurt. There were four players who did not look scared by Peru. The first one was MASCHERANO. He fought for every ball and was fouled when he had it. He spent the entire match running after Peruvian players and did not look tired.

Ezequiel LAVEZZI is another positive. In the first half, he was Argentina's most attacking player and was constantly fouled. He had the assist on HIGUAIN's goal and did not look intimidated or scared by the Peruvian players. He kept fighting and chasing every ball and that was missing in a lot of the players.

HIGUAIN scored the only goal of the match and really there was not much else he was able to do. He had one chance the entire game and took it. He, along with MASCHERANO, LAVEZZI and the person I will talk to about next (I know you will all want to kill me for this) didn't look intimidated and fought for every ball.

The fourth Argentine player who did not look afraid and was not scared was Pablo GUINAZU. Laugh it off, call me an idiot, but this match was designed for someone like Pablo GUINAZU. A tough, hard nosed player is precisely what Argentina needed. I'm not saying start him in every match, but if you're going into a match and you know it will be a physical 90 minutes, a player like GUINAZU is needed. When he came on, he did what MASCHERANO was doing the entire match. He ran after the ball and didn't stop. I'm not saying if he would have started Argentina would have won the match, but they probably would not have been bullied around as much. Another positive is the exclusion of Jose SOSA. He did not play a minute in both matches and it's possible that his inclusion in the team is coming to an end.

Argentina has let in the first goal against Colombia, Brasil and Peru and they have gone on to win the matches against Colombia and Brasil and got a point against Peru. Before, when Argentina used to let in the first goal, they would go in their shell and hide until the match was over. Now, it does not seem to be the case which is a positive.

You can't expect Argentina to go on and win every match. They went on a 6 game winning streak. They defeated Colombia, Switzerland, Ecuador, Brasil, Germany and Paraguay. They drew against a Peru team in a match where the referee was letting everything go. SABELLA has a lot of work ahead of him. For all the positives, he has to look at this match and look at what went wrong. The team was not able to string 3 passes together and we've seen what happens when MESSI is not able to produce his magic. The bench was not a strong bench and it showed. SABELLA has to look at all the problems and quickly because Argentina plays against Uruguay and Chile next month.




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Abs
(United States)
Posted on 9/18/2012 at 11:40 PM
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I wonder what happened to that rumor about Zabaleta to Barcelona. I would love that to happen !!

Today, he should've started ahead of Maicon, but as a sub he ruined it all !!

Manshit made too many mistakes in that game, which gave Moushit the 3 points they didn't deserve.


Johnny
(Thailand)
Posted on 9/18/2012 at 9:56 AM
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Hey Abs, after he blames Obama he'll blame the dog for eating his homework.


Mik
(United Arab Emirates)
Posted on 9/18/2012 at 4:28 AM
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Zabaleta by the way may get less and less chnace to perform now on because Maicon has came. That will again ruin Zabaletas performance for us. Do hope Peruzzi does well enogh to get a shoat at RB and ofcourse Sanchez Mino too gets into Sabellas head for our Main team.Walter Montello i dont think he will be getting to our Main team. He is gud player but Sabellas system doent support his type of player.


cleanball
(Indonesia)
Posted on 9/18/2012 at 12:15 AM
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@Abs
Sorry for changing the topic into Mou. Just a quick reply.Tomorrow he will be happy for getting 3 points from ManCity otherwise he will blame the ref :)
It's worth watching between Kun, Tevez and Zabeleta against Higuain and DiMaria.


Abs
(United States)
Posted on 9/17/2012 at 10:55 PM
1
@ cleanball:

Yesterday Moushit said: "I don't have a team" .. Now he is saying I take all the blame .. Tomorrow what would he say ? .. I guess he'll go with "It is all Obama's fault"


cleanball
(Indonesia)
Posted on 9/17/2012 at 10:36 PM
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Mourinho : "Now I am obliged to make a team which can be as close as possible to that of last year or the year before. In football there is only today and tomorrow, never yesterday, nor the titles won. There is no doubt who is responsible. In my teams, if we win, we do it together, and if we lose, I am the one responsible" This is the typical coach that Tango needs, bearing all the responsibility and take "Fully Charge and Control" on N/T.Bielsa and Peckerman is those who have done it despite their failure to bring success to Tango in WC.


Aimar
(India)
Posted on 9/17/2012 at 1:29 PM
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Bielsa as our Head coach and Pekerman as our U-20 coach will be awesome( A WILD DREAM).Just imagine Bielsa 3-3-1-3 or 4-2-1-3 formation with our current players.It will be awesome.Too bad Bielsa made mistakes in 2002. But actually, his successors(except Pekerman) did far worse. Bielsa and Pekerman would have learnt from their errors, that's for sure But we did not provide them chances to do so..I am sure we will never going 2 see Bielsa or Pekerman type free flowing Argentine tango in near future.We were very very lucky to have them
anyway we can eat what Sebella is cooking for us Just look at what we have to eat since 2006.
Pekerman and Bielsa are criticized more than these clowns because they had the potential to make their team win the WC.When will we have another decent coach?PS:am not a Sebella Hater…I still believe He is an excellent Upgrade over our past 3 coaches


Aimar
(India)
Posted on 9/17/2012 at 1:27 PM
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well a bit off topic..Bielsa is one of my Fav coach of all time along with Pekerman..I love this man..Just found a little paragraph on his method in the wiki and thought of sharing it with all of U.....


Bielsa on occasion checks pitch measurements by pacing them out before deciding on a particular formation. He allocates separate training times for different parts of his squad. Former Argentine national team captain Roberto Ayala and defender under Bielsa stated "Sometimes we wouldn't see any of the strikers, because he'd have them training at a different time, and it was the same with the midfielders. He's an innovator, and one of the people who I've learned most from during my career." He is known for watching and collecting numerous soccer videos to the point of obsession. He edits and analyzes each video for each individual player. He also utilizes statistical softwares and other technological tools to prepare for games. John Carlin, an Argentine journalist, has stated that Bielsa "...
has the most cultured library of soccer in the world. His resources are infinite, he is a step ahead of most coaches out there, including Ferguson and Van Gaal. The man is serious and there is a high intellectual component in his method. His leadership is based on serious methodology and very formal conversation that seems awkward and odd for players, especially in the beginning. However through these methods of obsessive formality he has managed to convince his players to play attacking football in all teams he has coached. Athletic Bilbao's striker Fernando Llorente said in an interview "At first he seems tough and he may even annoy you with his persistence and don't-take-no-for-an-answer resilience, but in the end he is a genius. he convinces you to keep working and running and it can be seen in his teams' games and practices. He knows more than anyone in the world, he is elite. Once you get used to him you love him." Barcelona's Pep Guardiola called him the "best manager in the world" in 2012...3-3-1-3 is his signature formation..


Leandro
(United States)
Posted on 9/17/2012 at 10:13 AM
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Well, ya.. but he already put in a transfer request and from what I heard he isnt even center stage on the coaches plans for the team. He should be exploding statistically if he moved to a weaker league.. thats the only way to make that a good move. Biglia sorta did that in Belgium winning the league and being MVP, etc.. keeping that up a few seasons can get you scouted elsewhere. But Biglia is cheap $, who is going to pay for Conca other than China or Russia for 10mil? If he has any pretensions of coming back to the big leagues he will have to take a giant pay cut..


Jack!
(United States)
Posted on 9/17/2012 at 2:32 AM
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Conca is making tons of money, and yeah, some people are driven by that aspect. Can't blame him, getting nearly 10 million US dollars a year or something like that? You ask to go to a job where I do not have to work as hard at what I do and going to pay me 10x more a year? Where do I sign up!



Abs
(United States)
Posted on 9/17/2012 at 1:59 AM
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As for Dario Conca, then he is the 7th highest paid player in football .. Why would he consider going else where ?!


GAB
(Australia)
Posted on 9/16/2012 at 4:34 AM
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@ Leandro...if it sounds like I've lost my patience with Sabella, it's purely because I have a 3 year old daughter & a wife who have sucked all the patience out of me LOL :)

You make excellent points muchacho and I agree with everything you've said. Sabella is intuitive so I'll give him that but he is way too conservative, so much so that its becoming a bit of a concern.

Lets wait & see what he does.

Muchas gracias!!


Leandro
(United States)
Posted on 9/15/2012 at 9:09 PM
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@GAB.. right on. This is how I feel though.. Give Sabella more time. At the very least, respect his very nice record so far.. we may not be pretty and there are definite concerns (midfield)but there has been progress. Sabella is the opposite of Diego/Batista, he is cool headed, conservative, defensive and plays it safe. In the first start of his tenure as coach he has brought fresh new blood into the defensive backline, something which was very much needed. I am suspending my disbelief until another round of games, at which point if he does not bring new blood to the midfield.. then we have a problem. Things are moving, here are some highlights:

> He has kept a continuous group of players which helps in chemistry and confidence (Remeber the Diego 100's?)

> He has changed both center backs for unproven and youthful players to much success.

> He has experimented in the right back between Zabaleta and Campagnero. I hope he is not blind to see that Campagnero was the safer option.

> He has tried back and forth between Rojo and Clemente on the right back. Neither too convincingly, but neither too bad.

> He has experimented with all our forward players.

> He stabilized the midfield (poorly)with trusted veterans (Independiente), which is logical for a new coach to do when immediate results with a new team is needed.

> He stuck with Sosa and then dropped him. This shows some flexibility.

Now we wait to see if he fixes the remaining kinks in our armor. In my opinion:

- DiMarias poor discipline and bad positioning creating a porous left flank and stressing Rojo.

- Finding a creative partner in midfield for Messi that can control the game, defend and punish if unmarked.

- Trying out new wing backs.

I have faith. And even if I didnt, now is no time to change coaches, we have had too much instability. We wait until half way through qualifiers for that discussion.


GAB
(Australia)
Posted on 9/15/2012 at 8:57 PM
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One more thing on this, one thing is to have talent but the other important factor is to have the mental strength and work ethic to sustain the talent and to maximise it to its full potential. Best example of this is Messi - he keeps getting better and better each year due to his work ethic. Worst example of this in my opinion was Riquelme. This is a guy who had the talent to be one of the greats in history but he was ultimately LAZY and had a weak work ethic. This is why he had a habit of falling out of flavour with most the clubs he signed with. As much as I loved Riquelme, he had Diva syndrome - too many demands thinking his talent was enough to get him through.


GAB
(Australia)
Posted on 9/15/2012 at 8:10 PM
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@zizo - You definitely make a good point. Lucas Biglia is a great example of a really talented player not playing in a top league but still worthy of playing in the National team. But then again, Biglia does play for Anderlecht in Belgium which is a decent league. I would definitely have Biglia in the team over Brana any day.

At the end of the day, what we really want are the best players playing for Argentina and that is the priority. Given this, I think this is where Sabella is failing miserably as he is not playing the best possible players in the area we need it most - Midfield.







zizo
(Jordan)
Posted on 9/15/2012 at 6:06 PM
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ok I understand the part about being in a more competitive league is important but it is not really always a matter of choice everybody wants to play in the big leagues but what if they dont want you I mean biglia is good right and hes been linked to big clubs since forever and screamed a load that he wanted to get out but no one really made a move and hes not even expensive another thing what if they had a choice and they chose big clubs and ended up wasting time on the bench most recent example zarate who has improved his attitude but he has no place because of bigger names and he refused to go to turkey..what I am saying is that its not really their fault they never played in the big ones and btw someone asked me why there is no Argentinian playes in germany except this one guy pinolla I think even though lots of Brazilians play there


GAB
(Australia)
Posted on 9/15/2012 at 5:38 PM
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@ zizo - I have to disagree with you there. When you're looking at players for National Team selection, one of the first places you would look at are the big leagues for the simple reason that these players are playing against the best players in the world and in high pressure situations. The big leagues attract the best players so as a selector of a national team, your obvious choice would be to look at players playing in these leagues.

Now, that's not to say that players playing in lessor leagues of the world are not talented or great. Quite the contrary, obviously there are great players out there like Walter Montillo and Dario Conca but for whatever reason, these guys never ventured outside of South America and guess what, they never got selected to play for Argentina, and probably never will given they are now approaching their twilight years as players.

In regards to Dario Conca, intersting that he handed in a transfer request from his Chinese club, Guangzhou Evergrande, soon after Marcello Lippi was made coach. And Lippi is a hard ass coach. Maybe that's why Conca has never really made it in the big leagues - he's afraid of hard work.


zizo
(Jordan)
Posted on 9/15/2012 at 6:52 AM
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I dont think playing in brazil or anywhere else outside the big leagues proves anything conca plays in china I have seen him play and he is great actually one has to watch the ones playing in brazil they seem to know how to pick interesting talent unlike argentina where they are intent on chasing retired big names these days


fanfrom78
(United Kingdom)
Posted on 9/15/2012 at 6:45 AM
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IF ANY SANE OR THINKS THERE SANE PERSON DIDNT EXPECT HELL HOLE MATCHES LIKE THIS AFTER THE LAST WC QOLS I HAVE TO QUESTION THE GENERAL LEVEL OF MY FELLOW MAN AND IM BEING SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what did u expect a roll over and being kicked punched and wrestling dropped on to IS NOT BEING OUT PLAYED


TheVickerman
(India)
Posted on 9/15/2012 at 6:22 AM
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@Zizo- thanks bro. Got the link. I just realized that even Roy had posted the full squad selected on here a week earlier. All the other websites did not list out the brazilian-based Argie players.

@Leandro - True that man! The celebration looks absolutely hilarious, love it. I really want to see that, it will surely liven things up!

@Gab - I wonder about that too. Just not sure why so many of our seemingly talented players seem to end up outside the top 3-4 leagues (atleast in terms of exposure). Montillo (brazil), Ansaldi (Russia), Taglifico (Spain 2nd division), Cavenaghi (was in Russian league for most of his prime!) immediately come to mind. In fairness, the Brazilian league is pretty good these days.

I'd be happy if even one of Perruzi, Mugni, Sanchez Mino, Montillo, Lopez just play so well in the games that they atleast get a sniff of the real NT, but I am not holding my breath. It's too painful to expect things and be disappointed later in terms of selection!


joy
(India)
Posted on 9/15/2012 at 3:34 AM
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Really tough games are coming. We forget about the super copa agaainst Brazil before the qualifier on 19th Sep'12 and 3rd Oct'12. Last year we lost the cup . This year again we are competeting. Super copa should be organized during July so that all the best players are available. Again Mr. Sabella have to depend with the local players . He can try some of the under 20 players who lost against Portugal in the tiebreaker last under20 world cup. Best of luck for the supercopa.


GAB
(Australia)
Posted on 9/15/2012 at 2:07 AM
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Regarding Walter Montillo, the dude is 28 already. Given his talent, why has he played most of his career in Brazil??


GAB
(Australia)
Posted on 9/15/2012 at 1:57 AM
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@Dr Magdy - Good pick up with Lucas Mugni. This kid has talent. Lets see how he goes in the match against Brazil. He's probably a good 3 yrs away from NT material just from a maturity perspective. He should get picked up by a good European club soon which will be his real test. Lets hop the kid doesn't have any emotional baggage like another so called wonder kid who is letting his talent be dictated by the bottle - BANEGA.


Jack!
(United States)
Posted on 9/15/2012 at 1:17 AM
0
4-4-2=-2


Dinucci
(Argentina)
Posted on 9/14/2012 at 11:28 PM
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4-4-2


Dinucci
(Argentina)
Posted on 9/14/2012 at 11:26 PM
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What do you guys think about Mascherano being on defense? I think this would work better for us especially now sense he is training as a defender.

Romero
Campagnaro Mascherano Coluccini Rodriguez

Di Maria Banega Gago Lavezzi

Messi Aguero


Leandro
(United States)
Posted on 9/14/2012 at 10:27 PM
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Here is a clip of Montillo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6PaGL44ztY

He should start just so I can see him do the horsrback donkey dance ;p

Based purely on youtube videos, so take it with a grain of salt.. I think we need a player like Min~os more than Montillo.


elpipita
(Iraq)
Posted on 9/14/2012 at 9:24 PM
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montillo is fantastic number 1,0 one of the top players in brazil in the last couple of years if im not mistaken; infact I would like to see him given a chance with the main team.


Abs
(United States)
Posted on 9/14/2012 at 7:47 PM
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I pray he goes back to Villarreal and help them come back to La Liga .. They don't really need him for that purpose coz they'll qualify any way, but it would be a great touch of him :)


Johnny
(Thailand)
Posted on 9/14/2012 at 6:04 PM
0
Riquelme held a press conference today with the president of Boca. Roman will no longer play for Boca and is unsure if he will play again or not (my bet is that he will). Apparently part of the agreement reached with Boca is that he can't play in Argentina.

I'd bet we will see JRR somewhere in Brazil, in either weeks, or at most by January.


Brigie
(Trinidad And Tobago)
Posted on 9/14/2012 at 5:12 PM
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Good post Roy very informative


Jack!
(United States)
Posted on 9/14/2012 at 4:54 PM
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Perotti? Is he even playing for Sevilla anymore? I haven't seen how he has done this season(even though it is still premature). I like him but he needs to improve if he wants to make the team.


zizo
(Jordan)
Posted on 9/14/2012 at 4:11 PM
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TheVickerman

http://www.ole.com.ar/seleccion/ojala-aprovechar-Montillo_0_773323011.html

hes been called alongside the striker from santos and barocs and the bals pirate I watched some stuff for montillo and man he looks good and lots of praise from brazil he could be the one we need forget the locals his numbers are much much higher than pastore according to fifa

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V17vufCEVPY&feature=related


TheVickerman
(India)
Posted on 9/14/2012 at 3:51 PM
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@Fanfan - Banega and Perotti as wingbacks! Wow bro, pass me some of that fine stuff you're smoking! :) As creative and wild as that sounds , I wouldn't hold my breath on that happening bro! I hope Banega realises his form soon (with club and country), and gets into the starting XI in some capacity!

@Zizo - Where did you read about Montillo being in the squad? You could be referring to last year's domestic games and not the ones next week, am I right? I haven't found anything that tells me that Montillo's selected for the upcoming games?
Montillo is actually a very good player and I'll be overjoyed if he gets a much deserved chance. Quality player , long ignored!


Istiaque
(Bangladesh)
Posted on 9/14/2012 at 2:00 PM
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why every midfielders from argentina now a days are good dribblers???? why nobody with a bit of pause and great vision????


niklucky02
(India)
Posted on 9/14/2012 at 1:43 PM
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@Dr .Magdy : Thanks .. that kid looks promising :) next Kaka + Zidane


fanfan
(France)
Posted on 9/14/2012 at 11:54 AM
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My problem with Sabella is that after a year the team still not has a "spirit".It scaries me a lot. Look at Colombia under Pekerman:impressive!If Argentina were to play the big cats in Europe,they probably would crush us.Germany lost because they played with 10.Remember the first 22mn of that game and their key players were left at rest.The only good part of Argentina is the forwards.Any smart coach knows how to beat Argentina.Easy:block Messi and Higuain. Some players do not deserve to be in the lineup,such as Rojo,Campagnaro,Gago,Zabaleta.For Messi to display his magic he needs players with skills.That is why Sabella needs to call up players like Banega,Diego Perotti,Aimar.They can open up space for Messi,Higuain etc.Here's a good line up
Banega----Fernandez---Coloccini----Perotti
Mascherano----Brana(or Aimar)---Di Maria
Messi--Higuain--Aguero(Tevez,Lavezzi)
Banega and Perotti could well play as wingers since they are midfilders.You need to be crative as coach.
Messi would play with Banega like he plays with Alves.I like Brana or Aimar because they can hold on to the ball and built.


Grey Warden
(India)
Posted on 9/14/2012 at 11:39 AM
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Nicely written


zizo
(Jordan)
Posted on 9/14/2012 at 11:21 AM
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this Montillo is all time best foreign scorer in his club interesting


Notoraj
(Finland)
Posted on 9/14/2012 at 11:13 AM
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http://bleacherreport.com/tb/d8sz7?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=world-football

This Peruvian son of a b*** was the real little girl!!! actually he was hiding behind the referee like a little girl will play with his Barby doll while her mother around and in her very secured place (little girl's own room)Those Peruvian must be punished when they will travel to Argentina!! Their bus should be smashed and bullied by all our 11 players. That faggot referee gave them too much wrong things to do on our players.


zizo
(Jordan)
Posted on 9/14/2012 at 11:00 AM
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he called Montillo from brazil never heard of him before no mention of d'alessandro seems he is a hopeless case


Dr.Magdy
(Egypt)
Posted on 9/14/2012 at 8:51 AM
1
Lucas Mugni ,The 20 yrs old enganche in Sabella's list for El Superclásico ,could he be the "2012 discovery" after 2011 Canteros ?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG5j5znxKDo



elpipita
(Iraq)
Posted on 9/14/2012 at 4:44 AM
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Nice article! I do agree that there has to be a strategy in place when Arg plays a physical game such as this, since this certainly won't the be the last time that Arg will play in a hostile environment in an away game.
The midfield is still missing an essential piece to complete the puzzle i.e. an enganche/organizer to stabilize the play when under pressure and drive the attack when applying pressure, but the problem is who can fit the criteria? I personally don't hold much hope for banega, the guy has too much diciplinary baggage; lamela is too young, pastore is too immature and not that type of player anyways. I really hope Sabella finds an answer to this and soon.


Lionel Messi
(Jordan)
Posted on 9/14/2012 at 3:55 AM
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Carlos Zambrano said that Messi and Higuain are little girls !!! what the hell with this guy ?! I am pretty sure that he is jealous from them, Peruvian players are showing dirty behaviors in and out of the pitch, this is not polite at all !!! I am pissed off !

Source : www.soccerway.com/news/2012/September/14/zambrano-messi-and-higuain-are-little-girls/


wee
(Malaysia)
Posted on 9/14/2012 at 3:32 AM
0
I found a quote:
"It was a masterclass in quality, balance, passing, control and finishing. If I see a better goal in the World Cup I'm going home. It was 24 passes of total control. They tore them to shreds."
Alan Hansen, BBC sport pundit for Match of the Day


wee
(Malaysia)
Posted on 9/14/2012 at 3:31 AM
0
Does anyone still remember one of the best goals in WC 2006 scored by Argentina vs Serbia with a total of 24 passes (from defense to the attack)? How on earth they can do that! Today, the team can not produce such quality anymore.


cleanball
(Indonesia)
Posted on 9/14/2012 at 3:15 AM
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@Aimar,thanks for correction; Except for the Bielsa and Peckerman once upon a time we even have to go for play off against Australia.But this is not the excuses or indicates that Tango performance at this time is better than previous. Need to improved and find the solid player and team. Playing against Brazil will be a good test for domestic player.


Aimar
(India)
Posted on 9/14/2012 at 1:24 AM
1
@Clean ball...I beg to differ... the qualification Journey for 2002WC under Bielsa was one of the best..we lost only one match during that campaign...In Pekerman days we tied with Brazil for the first spot in qualification...


Aimar
(India)
Posted on 9/14/2012 at 1:09 AM
0
Sabella tested a 5-3-1-1 with local players in preparation for the 2 friendly matches against Brazil.5-3-1-1..Strange??This a ultra defensive strategy..am Ok with it Becoz the first leg is in Maraccanaa and the Brazilian squad is almost the same first team because Most of the Brazilian players in the NT currently plays in Brazil... I fear this matches effect our winning record against Brazil..we are leading now 35 to 34....anyway this matches are not under FIFA official match...Hope Sebella will come out with a draw in Brazil and a 1-0 win In Argentina..its more than enough..Sebella's implemented the following formations so far 3-5-2,4-4-2, 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1 and now 5-3-1-1 which proves he has some tactical Brain..
Sebella already shown us that he is good manager when his team is inferior to the opponents(I think he is more comfortable with inferior players than super stars..lol)....eg:he took Barcelona literally to the limit and to the 90th minute at the Club World Cup with a Understrength Estudients(hope the spelling is correct) and also he shut down a Supr strength Brazil in the previous domestic Match for a 0-0 draw.. The expectations are less for me as we are playing our 3rd team VS Brazil 1st squad..Hope we can win this tie with a epic defensive strategy....Last but not least Mano Menez is a dump coach ,Brazil is actually lucky to be not part of this Qualifiers...am praying hard so that Brazil federation will not Sack him anytime soon and only after the 2014WC....
Here is the rumored line up according to Argentina World cup team Blog.
——————————————Barovero————————————

Peruzzi——Desábato——Domínguez——Vergini——C.Rodríguez

———Maxi Rodríguez——Rodrigo Braña——Sánchez Miño———

—————————————Lucas Mugni———————————

———————————Rogelio Funes Mori———
watch out for Gino Peruzzi and Juan Sanchez Mino.....


cleanball
(Indonesia)
Posted on 9/14/2012 at 12:43 AM
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For me, sabella have been doing great job consider in placing Albiceleste at the top at this moment. Even Bilardo, Basile,Passarella, Bielsa, Maradona and Peckerman can't put Tango on the top during qualifications except maybe Passarella time.Sabella need time to rebuild and reinforce Tango after Copa disaster. Although I am worried with his steadyness to change and think out of box but so far he's doing at his best in terms of team work and harmony of the team. Brings back the soul by selecting character players and go ahead..


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 9/14/2012 at 12:34 AM
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some classic hardmen the n/t could do with
pasarella,almeyda,ayala,colliccini,ruggeri,Tarantini,
sensini,simeone,veron,sorin,heinze,samuel,.
do we have more to add?


GAB
(Australia)
Posted on 9/13/2012 at 11:23 PM
1
Roy, you got the title right on this one and man is it an understatement! I love Argentina as does everyone on this site and it's painful to see the team playing the way they are. I don't think I can ever recall an era where Argentina give away possession of the ball as badly as they've done under Sabella's regime (Batista was another). I mean you just have to look at Romero bombimng the ball over the midfield rather than work the ball out from defence to realise that even our own Goal Keeper has no faith in our defenders and midfield to pass the ball to our dominant forwards.

Now I'm not going to judge Argentina's performance against Peru because there were too many things working against them - Altitude first and foremost, closely followed by crazy Peruvians (both players and fans), HOWEVER, the one crtiticism I do have is as Roy and many others have pointed out, was Argentina's lack of fight when they were getting bullied. And ultimately, this is Messi's fault as captain as he should have stood up to defend his team BUT Messi is not that sort of person hence, why he should NOT be captain. Give the captaincy back to Masch cause that guy has the tennacity & fight to stand up for himself and the team.

As long as Sabella is coach, this team will be without a soul, a true Albiceleste soul. You just have to look at player selections & team strategy for that which is very non-Argentinian.

Next month will reveal all in my opinion where we play Uruguay & Chile. And I'll say this now, Colombia are ever more dangerous now with Pekerman and I will not be surprised if Colombia finish top 2. The table positions right now are an illusion for Argentina, it flatters them too much.

I'm being harsh because enough is enough for Sabella. I'm over him as a coach and this crap style of play. He's had 1 year to figure it out and still today, we have a crap defence, crap midfield, crap strategy and tactics and crap player selections. The only reason we are top of the table is because of our amazing forwards.

I really think if sabella read all the comments on this site and put into action what a lot of us are saying, we would win the friggin world cup.

I've tried to remain optimistic for so many years but I really am demoralised right now with what I've seen under Sabella. Watching Argentina play is no longer an enjoyable activity. In fact, if it wasn't for the beautiful albiceleste tops, I honestly wouldn't know who I was watching cause it certainly aint the real Argentina.

Here's to a miracle happening in the next 2 years.



pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 9/13/2012 at 5:36 PM
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jack, i agree every team needs an enforcer and as i said previously we invented that role.
we dont get called "argie bargie" or as remsay called us "animals" for nothing :)


Jack!
(United States)
Posted on 9/13/2012 at 3:16 PM
0
Every team needs an enforcer, a person that will law down the law. Argentina is going to be fine, there are certain issue that need to be addressed and we can assume they will be. We have played well, but not great, and yet we are beating teams. Just imagine when we start to play great. The question will be, can we? I have to say yes, it is better that we are seeing these problems 2 years ahead of time instead of getting to the World Cup and still have to address issues. We will get there lets all be patient and see where it leads us.

VAMO ARGENTINA!

PS Good job as always Roy.


TheVickerman
(India)
Posted on 9/13/2012 at 3:08 PM
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Now I get it! So we had Guanizu all these games just so that we could unleash the beast against Peru! :-) just kidding!


Great write-up. People tend to get a little too worked up with every draw or defeat. We have to be a little realistic and recognize that there's a lot of work that needs to go in before Argentina becomes an absolute/definitive contender again. I don't think we are a super team just because we beat Germany 3-1 , or a terrible team just because we drew with Peru 1-1.

One thing that completely flummoxes me is Sabella's player selection, especially the bench. Brana, Maxi, Guanizu, Sosa ? I often think where we are going with this, and keep wondering if a younger gun can't be given a chance!

The optimist in me wants to believe that the Sloth has some sort of a HELL-YEAH-I -FOOLED-Y'ALL- MASTER PLAN behind all this. In such tricky, dangerous encounters, use guys who are used to such conditions and adversity, and know how to play there. And then , hopefully once we qualify for the WC, integrate the creative,fluid players. Can you imagine how a youngster could have potentially gotten his confidence destroyed (not to mention- physically harmed) in a game like yesterday?

Of course, the reality could be that Sabella simply doesn't believe in the younger lot.



Lionel Messi
(Jordan)
Posted on 9/13/2012 at 12:43 PM
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Sabella tried defensive formation " 5-3-1-1 " for the next match with Brazil on 19 September !

Source : http://canchallena.lanacion.com.ar/1508083-sabella-ensayo-con-un-esquema-defensivo



Sherwan
(United States)
Posted on 9/13/2012 at 11:57 AM
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Good job Roy. This game remaind me about the 2010 WCQ when thing did not go well for us. I know the beruvian played dirty but still we should have done very well against them. The peruvian knows they are out of the wcq soon or later and that is why they have nothing to lose except play dirty. For sure sabella have much work to do if we want to have an undrstanding and strong team for the WC in Brasil. Vamos Argentina


Leandro
(United States)
Posted on 9/13/2012 at 11:34 AM
1
Right on Roy. Guinazu gets too much crap from some people. He is a great destroyer (stamina, strenght, tenacity, calm on the ball, dyanimic) and has been used wisely - Heck! in the WHOLE game Messi only was able to make two 1-2 passes, one was with Mascherano and the other with... GUINAZU, with that alone he outplayed DiMaria. And I will take it a step further, had he started over DiMaria we WOULD have won most likely as the left flank would have been sealed. While Rojo is no wonder, he can defend pretty well.. it was 100% DiMarias softness that made that side so pourus.


vik
(United Kingdom)
Posted on 9/13/2012 at 11:03 AM
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yeah totally agree with you Roy. i was comfortable with our defensive unit against paraguay. even the best teams get out muscled by mediocre teams.

this result hurts peru more than us!

other than that i felt the blow was softer due to getting a point in peru!

no guessing then how our supporters react when peru visit the monumental?

i dont think we need some black magic performed on there great players! the shackles on messi will be released once we get them back to our back yard.


Johnny
(Thailand)
Posted on 9/13/2012 at 11:01 AM
0
Excellent read of the Peru match Roy. A big Kudo for that one.


Lucas
(Australia)
Posted on 9/13/2012 at 10:17 AM
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Very well said ROY!! couldnt put it better myself


Lio
(India)
Posted on 9/13/2012 at 10:06 AM
1
One thing i would like to say that if anyone send my message to sabella then i am really greatfull to him.
1.Please do call Pastore.Beacause if gago was unable to play then we have to face lots of difficulty.
2.Please go for 3 men striker.If it is not possible then go for 2 and include pastore in first team.
3.Banega also a very good option.Dimaria's perfect substitution.
4.And please dont blame our defender.If our midfield are unable to play then defender will face lots of pressure.
5.And th6e team should be like this
Romero,Zabeleta,Fedrico fernandez,Garay,Rojo/ansaldi
Mascherano,Gago,Pastore/Aguero,Dimaria,Messi,Higuain.
Because messi told after brazil friendly that pastore is a ver good player.And Messi ad very good uderstanding with Aguero.
Please Send my message to sabella.


Lionel Messi
(Jordan)
Posted on 9/13/2012 at 9:44 AM
0
I was reading an article that Peruvian fans used some mysterious magic to stop Messi, they are very very afraid from the best player in the world !! see the video ---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5SxwNKtVMk&feature=player_embedded


tevez
(Bahamas)
Posted on 9/13/2012 at 9:35 AM
0
i have a very good news to Peru team and their fans
the way you played dirty game on Argentina sorry to tell you that you will never make it to world cup 2014
try for 2018 the Peru team were not playing football
they came on to destroy the argie team using dirty game
to hell with peru


Lionel Messi
(Jordan)
Posted on 9/13/2012 at 9:10 AM
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@ hi2suresh, nice post ! Messi is doing unbelievable efforts in every match only to satisfy the fans ! taking the sign of captain will let him down ! if you love Messi, you have to support him in any condition, Vamos Argentina


hi2suresh
(India)
Posted on 9/13/2012 at 9:03 AM
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I donot agree on comments saying that Messi is not better captian compared to Maradona & he has to improve..guyz give me a break he is a diff personality altogether and moreover he's already loaded with tons of responsibilities & expectations. for e.g.
1. He has to score goals almost in every match
2. He has to dribble
3. He has to defend
4. He has to give assists
5. He has to improve his set pieces
6. He has to impress fans day in and day out.
Apart from all that you expect him to improve his captainship abilities......heights of expectations. For once you imagine yourself in his shoes & feel what you do if you are expected to do anything and everything...


Fern
(Canada)
Posted on 9/13/2012 at 9:01 AM
0
I agree with Roy assessment of the game. We needed to be more physical when the style of play demands it. We cannot be bullied by any team, yet we need to maintain our composure.

The only two things I would add is that I would have preferred to see a player like Jonas on the pitch....he leaves everything he has on the field.

And...what this mess comes down to is Sabella. Don't get me wrong, I like him and I think that he has done an amazing job but when your Plan A doesn't work because you are getting out muscled, out played, out run etc...where is your Plan B? Our team played as if they had no direction or could not change direction when needed. We need a Plan B or else we will not go or win anything.


haman
(Bahrain)
Posted on 9/13/2012 at 6:47 AM
1
I think Claudio Yacob is a kind of player we miss in our midfield. He should be given a chance, he is a fighter, a good distributer and a ball winner and for most he was a leader.

He currently plays in tough league, where he is getting stronger.

I think he's a good option to pair with Mascherano or even replacing him when needed.


haman
(Bahrain)
Posted on 9/13/2012 at 6:29 AM
0
Exactly, you got it right there Roy.

Most of the South American teams play that dirty game and every time I watch Messi surrounded by animals, I pray that an injury doesn't turn to possibility.

Maybe Sabella is going to look more for physical options on the midfield instead of creativity!

Who knows how he thinks?

The match against Brazil should bring in some new contenders!


figo29
(United Arab Emirates)
Posted on 9/13/2012 at 5:33 AM
0
Almeyda is another player who I miss dearly in such games. Imagine Kily Gonzzalez instead of Di Maria, wouldn't that be something else?
I know this Argentina is fragile, but I have hope it is becoming better. Results and displays have recently gave me some confidence that we might reach 2014 as title contenders.
And by the way, Messi should show what a team captain means while on or off the field.


Mik
(United Arab Emirates)
Posted on 9/13/2012 at 3:26 AM
0
Gud Article i agree with it The last point in the Article is till now the unanswered question for our NT "what happens when MESSI is not able to produce his magic" till now we dont have an answer to that. Along with that some other pblms r there too . We cant expect to win every matches in SA its gonna be tuffer at Bolivia for sure atleast we got a draw. Thats a positive.


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 9/13/2012 at 2:35 AM
0
cannigia:
it was nothing to do with messi failing (im not sure what he actually could have done with no ball) as peru cut out most of the ball to him and on the rare occasion he did get it they swamped him.
simply put our mid failed to take the field, in fact peru came to play while most of out lot were thinking of their respective pay cheques from their clubs as it seemed most of out team where thinking any thing but football.
n.b peru also played really dirty..


hi2suresh
(India)
Posted on 9/13/2012 at 2:32 AM
1
@pablo.d -> Spot on!!
I am not commenting this based on yesterday's display but these are just my observations over a period of time.
1. Sabella is a kind of manager who will keep giving the chance after chance to the players he likes irrespective of the perfomances which is simply not good.
e.g. Sosa, Brana, Rojo & Ginauzu.Out of them Ginauzu is better in my opinion.
Its very tough for a new player to impress him & cement the spot with there performances provided if they get any
e.g. Lucho, Caentros

2. Under Sabella I am yet to see a game in which our midfield ruled even against the small teams. In the name of defence & counter attack he continues to overlook & screw midfield. I am not hopeful it will change in the near future as the old man is very stubborn.

3. I have no clue what are his take away's from friendly matches.Excuse me for being harsh..but he doesn't have balls to experiment new players (e.g. Lamela) or think out of the box even in god damn friendlies.

4. Our sub's look mediocre because of his player selections.

5. He is good at getting us ugly wins & tough draws.But how long it will continue is to be seen.

6. Our LB & RB positions continue to be worrisome.How will he ever going to fix unless he tries some new blood?

May the odds ever favor us (Arg & fans)!!


Caniggia
(Hong Kong)
Posted on 9/13/2012 at 2:13 AM
0
Sadly, I didn't get tO watch the Peru game.
Just wondering if the reason why Messi didn't appear to perform had something to do with an experiment.

See what Gago had to say before the match.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1155168/fernando-gago:-argentina-rely-too-much-on-lionel-messi?cc=4716



muthu
(India)
Posted on 9/13/2012 at 1:49 AM
0
Dismissed bad players add new players 2014 worldcup selected
U25 best players select


pablo.d
(New Zealand)
Posted on 9/13/2012 at 1:25 AM
0
we do have the players to make the team very strong in 90% of the positions but i dont believe sabella will make the changes we need to be strong.
theirs plenty of players who could be what we need like amiar, andy.d, gatlin, past, guti, perotti, ansaldi,itube,lamar etc etc
sabella has been looking at the same problems in def and mid and he seems no closer to a solution.
for me the next team selection will be the telling sign if he has taken note, learned and is offering solutions to some of our problems or if he is just like some recent managers who let their personal adjender come 1st.
the good news is the strikers are not a problem.


cleanball
(Indonesia)
Posted on 9/13/2012 at 12:41 AM
0
Very good written by Roy..well done amigo !
Every games bring a lesson to evaluate and observe; stand apart to favorite or unfavorite players; the most important they do the task well or not. Against Peru with all respect we deserve to lost but lucky enough to manage the draw.
Apart from it Spain even fight hard to win 1-0 against Georgia, America lost to Jamaica and England draw at home to Ukraine. Football is more challenging and qualification is long way and hard journey.You cant categorize that a team is small or big, can't underestimate. Just look at Venezuala and Columbia improvement. I do agree and trust that what is needed is just not a talented players with high names but a good chemistry and ready for the war; Latin football is always full of intimidation and tricks, it has become the ingredients of playing football.
Sabella need to work harder and find out the right players that can achieve the dreams.


Shinobushinobu
(Singapore)
Posted on 9/13/2012 at 12:40 AM
1
Maybe Sabella has collected enough data for his "Sosa experiments", not sure what the outcome is though, maybe Sosa gets a sure spot in the team but not as starter.

And yeah, SA tends to be softer towards the hostile host and they should do something on that referee.
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